Safest thing to do is run windows only in a VM or container with Linux as the host OS and pass the hardware required in. Windows actually runs better this way and can't mess with your Linux install.
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How does it run better?
I've avoided it specifically for performance reasons, this is new to me, for one program that WINE doesn't like.
Linux manages disk access way better than Windows.
But anything that depends on CPU, memory, or IO lattency will get slower.
I've not actually benchmarked it. Although others have and I couldn't really tell you why but windows spends a lot less time and resources trying to manage itself when it's in a VM or container. It's just much snapier and even when passing in a GPU to play games it preforms well.
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If you aren't gaming, you don't care about performance past giving CPU/RAM enough resources to VM.
If you are multiplayer gaming and unwilling to give it up or be very tech savvy, VM isn't an option.
Well maybe, see: https://looking-glass.io/
If you single player game, you just need pcie passthrough to your VM.
Those resources are the concern. Yes, a VM works fine, but works better than native windows? That's where my question is.
Also, I care a lot about performance if I'm running my system on a potato.
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"That's not how anything works" meme material right here.
How can literally anything run better on a vm compared to physical?
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This is the way.
There are currently [2] Satyah Nadellas downvoting but
This is The Way
I agree with your post but I must ask - is that King Charles taking the ~~wheel~~ UEFI Boot partition?
Thanks for the confirmations. It indeed seems to be King Charles taking the UEFI Boot Partition. ~~Microsoft~~ Monarchy at it again taking what belongs to the people.
That it is, old Chucky Sausagefingers
When I found the image, the file name claimed it's him. Then Lemmy changed the file name.
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EU must ban all US-made smart products for its own safety. All closed-source software and electronics that can be used for strategic manipulation and sabotage -- Google, Apple, Amazon, all of it.
Well this solves your first issue, Microsoft is US based. So just uninstall windows.
"Computers are like air conditioning.
They become useless when you open windows"
- some Finnish dude
I mean Microsofts programming is also just shit. I remember installing Windows 7 back then. The computer had an SSD and a HDD in it with old files. I later removed the HDD and it wouldn't boot. Because even though I installed Windows on the SSD, it put the bootloader onto the HDD.
Windows still does that to this day. For some random reason, it will often create the EFI boot partition in a different drive than the one you're installing Windows to.
Yeah... It's typically best to only connect the drive you want the OS on, then add the other(s) post install
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I'm surprised that Windows overrides the UEFI partition at every boot. They should not be allowed to do this.
But also, i'm kinda surprised that Windows allows the wubi.exe Ubuntu installer to write to the UEFI boot menu.
I agree that better regulations need to be put in place. I too suspect bribery. How else would you explain that we're getting surveillance package instead of this?
efibootmgr is your friend. Boot into linux and use it to set the boot records as you want, in the order that you want them.
Also, I have heard from a bunch of people, that this can be mitigated by having separate EFI partitions for Linux and Windows. That means one EFI partition per physical drive. You can go as far as having the EFI partition on different media than the Linux install.
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Windows 11 gets worse with every update, might start running it in a VM
On my laptop I need windows for an OBDII dongle, luckily the software works fine in a VM.
I use a Dualboot with Windows 10 (there are unfortunately some very few games I couldn't get to run with Linux, otherwise I had removed Windows a long time ago) but I never ran into this problem. Someone here wrote about efimgr, could be that I installed that by accident and this helps. I just followed some random tutorial back then.
Did you try the tinkering recommendations on protonDB? They're great. Might be able to help you if you hadn't tried them.
Yes, I did. Most of the time that works, but there is one game which I absolutely love, Space Engineers, and I could not get that to work with any amount of tinkering.
Edit: I just tried it again. Installation of Proton GE was necessary and had some hiccups. Used command line values from ProtonDB. Space Engineers kind of works now. Performance isn't great though, some sudden FPS drops.
Hey, drag. I can tell you that most people trying to switch from Windows to Linux do not want to sit there after a long day at work and tinker with stuff to just get a game running.
Yesterday, after a 10 hour shift, I got home and tried to get WeMod working on my openSUSE Tumbleweed. I got home at 6 in the afternoon, and had been up since 6 that morning. It wasn’t until 9 PM that I was finally able to get WeMod working with Mass Effect Legendary Edition, thanks to the WeMod-launcher team over on GirHub.
That means I was only able to play for maybe an hour before bed just because I wanted something that is as simple as double clicking on Windows, and playing.
Now, I understand I’m an edge case, because I want to use cheats on my games. That’s just the general attitude I’ve seen when trying to get people to switch over myself.
“Why isn’t my program working?”
“Oh, yeah. Programs for Windows don’t work as they should. You have to do x and y and then sprinkle a little bit of z in this config file over here on this other other program”
“What the fuck? That’s stupid.”
“No man. It’s really cool once you start to understand!”
“Please help me get my Windows back. I don’t want to bother with this, I just want to play my game / use my program”
Literal conversation I’ve had.
I have to say, my experience with Linux gaming was much better. Most of the games I play work more or less immediately without any tinkering at all. Of course if you play games which are protected by kernel-level anticheat measures then you are pretty much out of luck at this time. And there are other edge cases like you mentioned.
I think while glorifying the Linux gaming experience is wrong, it still has made enormous progress in the last years and it is worth a try for anyone who distrusts or dislikes Microsoft. Breaking monopolies isn't easy, but I personally think it is necessary to regain ownership over rmy own hardware, even if it makes things a bit more complicated in the beginning.
I couldn’t agree any more! I love Linux, and what it stands for, completely. I am trying my hardest to only stay on my Linux partition and find workarounds in the meantime time.
I am happy that for the most part, games do work with minimal tweaking. I just want to bring edge cases like mine into the conversation because people will tell others who are fresh into the Linux space that’s it is nothing but sunshine and rainbows, but never admit that there are still very real limitations to what is available and what can and can not work that most normal people would want from their OS, which is ease of use.
I understand we are in a bubble here, and we all know what it brings to the table, but for someone dipping their toes into it for the first time, they are being led to believe it’s really as simple as just installing a new OS and everything just works.
That’s just not the reality as of right now, no matter if all of your games work or not. Not everyone else is going to have the same easy experience some of us have here, because they are wanting to use their computer for things like modding or cheats or use programs that don’t work with Linux very well such as ME3Tweaks to install mods onto Mass Effect for example, or Reloaded-II to install mods to Atlus games like Persona/Metaphor.
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The fix for this is pretty simple. Uninstall Windows and never look back. I haven't used any Microsoft products in years now.
Worked for me
I run Windows 10 on one NVME drive and Linux on a different one, but whenever I reinstall Windows it completely boffs my Linux installation.
If I reinstall Linux then my Windows installation is gone.
Took me a while but it seems that Windows is using my Linux NVME for its boot partition and so far the only way I've been able to avoid this is to unplug my Linux drive when reinstalling Windows.
They are doing everyone a favor. Why woukd you want that shit on your computer at all?
Or if you simply must use Windows, why not use KVM?
This seems like Windows developers doing everyone a solid: "You sure you want this shit to have root access over everyrhing?" they are asking.
what is windows?
I got do pissed one day that I figured out a good work around. Get a second drive just big enough for Linux and a third just big enough for windows. Then just remove windows and Linux from your big "must be safe" drive. Now install Linux on your Linux drive and Windows on your windows drive. Next, go to Fstab on Linux and Mount your big drive as either home for all users or a single user's home. Similarly go to Windows and mount the Linux home drive. You'll probably need to install drivers to even see the thing. I don't mix my Linux home. Instead I have a small drive for windows to fuck up shit into (which is what it does). Finally use the Linux bootloader and tell Windows to stay in its fucking place or shut the fuck up. It works.
As sad as that sounds in terms of maintenance and work for the average person,it checks out.
As someone that learned this the hard way in the 2000s with no other family computer backup, with some technical skills, this is a small slip up from Microsoft.
Instead of installing Linux in my computer and maintaining some un-maintainable windows copy on my dads computer, I’ll just install Linux mint or similar on his computer and tell him to click the big Firefox icon on the desktop as usual.
I have my pc with linux only. Works like a charm.
Then I have my winbox for stuff that doesn't run on linux.
I won't mix those two together ever.
I haven't been using Linux that long, but it hasn't happened to me in the six months I've been dual booting 🤔
It definitely happens, I've had windows fuck up Grub multiple times.
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This meme got me. Really do be that way.
Even when single booting efi is usually the thing making it sorta annoying. Take that out and the install is super smooth.
This is anti competitive behaviour. It's kind of criminal
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