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He didn't "handily win" he won by 1-2 points in the swing states.
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It tracks with an anti-incumbent sentiment, people are not happy with inflation so they voted against the incumbent, they're still not happy and still voting against the incumbent.
And he only won because a few million people who voted in 2020 sat on their asses instead of voting this time.
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He didn’t “handily win” he won by 1-2 points in the swing states.
he won the popualar vote despite all the EVERYTHING
That tracks with the reality that half of America really likes the guy.
America is the country that had almost 70% of Republicans polling that Nixon shouldn't resign the day before congress decided to impeach.
He won. It is unfortunate, but not unsurprising or requiring a leap of faith, and it has all evidence supporting it, factually.
Now we need to take that reality and address it and the root causes--rather than fighting facts with preferred fantasy like the right wing has done at every opportunity.
I know that Republicans spent 2020 looking for bamboo in ballots, but haven't been able to find even hand recounts in swing states. I think Democrats are so invested in being "good losers" that there has not been enough investigation into an election where Republicans certainly cheated as much as they were able to.
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People on the left need to stop peddling this “Trump stole the election” stuff. It plays right into his rhetoric about our elections being rigged and allows him to cry again whenever his side loses. The comment in the screenshot looks like a fucking bot anyway.
Dems didn’t dump Biden early enough and the average American voter is dirt fucking stupid. Plus you’re telling me there’s some sort of massive conspiracy to alter votes in 7 different states with separate election systems and no one blabbed?
While I agree that every accusation is a confession until we see some hard proof that’s peer reviewed I’m skeptical. We shouldn’t be focusing on the past anyway, it doesn’t solve our current problems. We need to focus on the present and future.
Agreed. Fact is I don't think they even needed to. The electoral college does most of it for them, and then when over half the nation doesn't vote, and on top of that many Democrats just didn't vote, it's pretty obvious exactly what happened.
64% of the eligible population voted last presidential election, down from the record 66% in the previous. And Trump won the popular vote. We need reform but turnout is less of a problem than it has been historically.
People were unhappy with inflation and stuff and so they vote out the incumbent, it's as simple as that. 100% the opposite party wins if things are going very badly.
I assumed this is why Musk is tweaking algorithms to show more positivity now that he is president
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Trump's been talking about how he won because of Elon "being good with computers"
Investigations were launched over less
Everone is getting real jumpy around Isreal. Isreal has a booming cyber security industry and is one of the biggest exporters of security exploits that they sell to corporations and nation states.
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Part of why Trump wins is simply because there's more brand recognition for him. He gets media written about him very easily and his photo gets splashed around BY BOTH SIDES!
In today's politics there's nothing worse than becoming "what's his name" - "the other guy".
In the age of the para-social relationship the big names get the votes, regardless of whether they're liked or a reasonable choice.
Oddly enough the establishment left seem to think politics is a meritocracy. Which is idiotic and part and parcel with them being generally out of touch.
I feel strongly that the world has Mark Burnett (creator of The Apprentice) to thank for the presidencies of DJT being inflicted upon it.
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Why aren't we talking more about all the mail in ballots that were destroyed in mailbox arson attacks or by postal workers?
Yeah, something about this shift in focus feels like a psyop. We have clear evidence of targeted voter suppression, destruction of ballots, etc. In a two party system, fraudulently removing your opponent's votes has exactly the same impact as creating fake votes for yourself. That's already clear evidence of fraud, why are we redefining "evidence of fraud" as a new thing that we haven't found yet?
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Election denialism seems to just now be a feature of American politics
It should be plainly obvious everything that Republicans complain about is sheer projection.
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I’m sorry, but this is the most egregious example of “both sides do it” that I’ve ever seen.
The republicans made denying the election a central pillar of their platform, and the lies was repeated by virtually every leader in the party. And a violent mob stormed the capitol in an attempt to overturn the vote.
Show me a fragment of that being done by the left.
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Natural result of decades of erosion to the fourth estate.
Thanks Ronald.
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At this point anyone who denies Elon stole the election is just as wilfully ignorant and naive as I was when I thought Trump didn't collude with Russia. How much blatant evidence do you need before you admit that the cheating fascists are cheating fascists? (they never will because democrats are doing literally nothing to stop Elon illegally dismantling the government) (edited to fix an autocorrect)
I mean - just by money and messaging or is there some actual data from voting that shows irregularities?
https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
No less than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.
If the purges, challenges and ballot rejections were random, it wouldn’t matter. It’s anything but random. For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast.
There are also the uncountable effects of the explosive growth of voter intimidation tactics including the bomb threats that closed 31 polling stations in Atlanta on Election Day.
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Let's be frank: it was a special election where about a tenth of eligible voters turned out.
Trump ain't gonna see an FDR level midterms victory, unless he manages to destroy the American democracy totally, but I wouldn't look at this as evidence of some major shift by itself.
You know, after Mike Zimmer stopped being the defensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals I lost track of what happened to him. Thought he went to the Cowboys or something. I guess we really could use some better defensive plays in the legislature though.
(I assume this must be a different Mike Zimmer)
your takeaway is a lot different from mine: here i'm thinking, how useless must this this katie whittington be.. LOL 9+k votes (total) between them. 14 percent of the district voted in this special election. tell us again how its IMPOSSIBLE kamala lost her swing states in the general presidential election.
Noteworthy enough, Trump's aggregate approval ratings is unfortunately quite high for the first month in office compared to before.
I mean he's still the lowest ever, ignoring his last term. And it's within MoE.
It's also now dropped. 37pt swing for GenZ, +18 to -19
It almost makes you wonder where the fuck they were getting their information prior to the election
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Yeah, it's because "at least he's doing something." Plenty of uninformed chuds are making the assumption that any action is good action. They're also the same folks that still insist project 2025 is a liberal hoax.
He won "legitimately" by suppressing the votes he couldn't get in swing states. I heard that if you're black or in a metro area in a swing state that your vote was likely thrown out through some beurocratic bullshit.
Grain of salt: I did hear this on YouTube and I don't remember the channel, it might have been humanist report or something like that. It definitely sounded legit, though.
They had four years to corrupt the election offices in specific areas and I 100% believe they could and would pursue that opportunity.
EDIT: another poster shared this, this is basically the same thing I heard. https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
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And what we'll see is by next election this guy will lose his seat because Republicans and Independents are dumber than goldfish.
Yeah sure they're a bunch of evil criminals, so if they had the methods to cheat they probably did.
But let's say that tomorrow there are worldwide headlines about some irrefutable smoking gun evidence. Or maybe Musk goes on TV being a little bit too high, or Trump gives an interview while a few neurons too many wither and die in his skull, and they say they did it, tell us where to find the evidence, and say it was worth it and they did it because they are patriots trying to save the country. Just doubling down on the old "He who saves his Country does not violate any Law."
DOES ANYTHING EVEN HAPPEN? Who is gonna do something about it?
The absolute most extreme result I could possibly see being reality would be that Trump manages to get Musk accused and convicted for the interference. That would be just as funny as it is unlikely, but it would fix nothing.
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It’s simple: challenged votes. Watch Vigilantes INC in YouTube.
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