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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 72 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Anytime a company reduces the functionality of a device through software or firmware they should have to offer to buy back the hardware. The depreciation rate should be set at time of purchase so you know how much you get if they neuter it a year from now.

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 28 points 2 months ago

Why allow depreciation? You wouldn't have bought it with the reduced functionality, and it's going to cost you time and effort to remove it and replace it with something else. Inflation will reduce the value more than enough.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but that means they don't get your money anymore! Think of the ~~profits~~ ~~shareholders~~ children!

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Or they could like... just not be dicks and supply firmware updates without the lock-in, instead of having to trade off security to use your device however you want.

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 34 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I must buy a printer soon. Thank you for reminding me to avoid HP products.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] Bluefruit@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

This is the way. My brother printer is a hl2040, came out sometime in the early 2000s. It still prints. I've replaced the toner cartridge once since my Dad gave it to me back in 2016.

The other day I needed to print something out and this was after I had reinstalled linux.

Just fired right up, instantly recognized. Its one of the best pieces of hardware I own.

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are "brother" the nice guys at the moment?

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

relatively speaking

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Laser printer and probably brother, it's worth the extra up front cost 10 fold

For an old color Dell Laser printer I got from a thrift store years ago I can find 4 color sets of toner for it for $40-60

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

brother is currently enshittifying right now.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)
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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Oh BROTHER, not this again.

On a more serious note, I've been all about brother printers for a few years now and couldn't be happier.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

My current brother printer is a pile of shit.

[–] HiTekRedNek@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

I've been rockin my HL3170CDW for many years now. I have absolutely no issues with this printer, and I'll buy nothing else.

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[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago

Even better, the whole HP printer is optional.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Settles" lol the lawyers got their payout

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've never interpreted settling to imply lawyers don't get paid.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Lawyers get paid either way, but that's about the most that comes of it. Settling means no legal precedent has been set, so businesses can pull this bullshit again in the future

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Simple fix here, stop buying the companies that do this. I bought a brother printer and I won’t go back.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] claymore@pawb.social 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This was in the related articles: https://www.tomshardware.com/peripherals/printers/brother-denies-firmware-blocks-third-party-toner-and-ink-use

And I believe them. The reddit post in Rossman's video was 3 years old. I have personally installed and updated 5 Brother printers in the last year and they all still run on 3rd-party toner.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 months ago

I do think it's pretty ridiculous that rossman of all people would not verify any of this before making a video about it. At least reach out to the company and ask them for a comment.

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[–] pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That sucks, I bought mine a few years ago and haven’t had any issues yet. 🤞

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 5 points 2 months ago

I bought a 15 year old second-hand Brother laser printer - works like a charm, operates under both Windows and Linux, still has all the spare parts you can think of readily available, and you can just load any toner into the official cartridge to use it again, and again, and again.

Love it. Simple, dirt cheap, just works and does it well.

[–] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Bullshittery aside, "HP Inc." Instead of just "HP" Is on the nose and has to be deliberate on the journalists behalf

[–] devilish666@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Sometimes I wonder why there's no DIY Paper printer after seeing so...much shit in Printer Company ?
We had advance DIY 3D Printer that can made various objects with various size and materials and yet there's no DIY Paper printer until now

[–] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I have an epson eco tank. No more ink cartridges.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Ink jets are trash tho

Laser or nothing.

[–] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You're probably right, but I'm just printing random documents on occasion.

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What about printing head replacement?

[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From my experience, those last years. But they are indeed a bit expensive... I have had my eco tank for the last 5 years, only had to replace the b/w printer head after around 4 thousand prints, and I'm almost sure it was my own fault for using expired low-quality ink that I had bought in bulk for super cheap.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

That is a good number

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

HP is like, "enjoy the security vulnerabilities"

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

did the cups vulnerability get fixed?

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

IDK, I don't expose that shit to the internet.

[–] Daedskin@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

As someone who's worked on printer firmware before, it makes me really sad that a company can get away with making a consumer decide between getting access to any of the actually useful changes that engineers — who have no say over ink cartridge policy — put effort towards making the best product they could, or not having said ink cartridge policies forced on them.

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Still not interested in a fucking printer.

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