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[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 109 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

IIRC there are ways to greatly speed this up by selectively planting certain fast growing trees to attract certain birds that will poop all over your lawn thus planting certain seeds. Basically you skip the first two steps with free bird poop. I think it was an old rail siding in London somewhere... or something like that. They planted a single willow tree that attracted the birds and BOOM ~~head shot~~ habitat.

https://www.rhs.org.uk/shows-events/rhs-urban-show/urban-gardening/guerrilla-gardening

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/sylvia-wilde-a-forest-garden-primer

[–] Entheon@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's really interesting! Do you have any links or more info on this process?

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'll try to find tho links when I have time. Remembering it more, it was I think "anarchist gardening" or something like that. It was a I think the side of a man made ravine that was in stage 1 or 2, so they sped things up a little to make it more habitable.

These aren't the links I was looking for, but they speak of the same thing. Really the one I remember is just one act from one person in what is now a large movement colloquially known as "Guerilla Gardening".

https://www.rhs.org.uk/shows-events/rhs-urban-show/urban-gardening/guerrilla-gardening

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/sylvia-wilde-a-forest-garden-primer

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The forest garden description is very similar to what I have seen described as a “permaculture forest” elsewhere.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

Indeed, I think it's the same thing with the exception that one would be planting a permaculture forest in some sort disused urban area. I suppose "guerilla gardening" is more focused on smaller plants.

[–] kamenlady@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Basically you skip the first two steps with free bird poop.

Can i apply this to other areas as well, like building a house or something else?

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 months ago

Of course, but the steps you skip might not be the ones you want to skip. I.e. free bird poop would only come into effect after the house was built progressing between the step of removing a human centred habitat and the gradual growth of a normal habitat.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 45 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Okay so where can I grow something that won't be full of ticks?

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 months ago

You foster a family of possums at the same time.

[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago

You don't.

Instead, you always have a roving band of chickens following you to eat them.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hehe. The image makes it look like pine matures to oak and hickory.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

this is now canon in the pokemon universe

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Tallpine evolved into Oakollossal.

Oakollossal wants to learn Acorn Drop.

Forget a move to learn Acorn Drop?

[–] dumples@midwest.social 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For a lawn or yard you don't have to go all the way to a forest to have a stablish ecosystem. Perennials can do a lot.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And actually in some places prarieland is probably more important for conservation.

Ie. plant a couple of native fruit trees for, dig a small perrenial pond and add some rocks so amphibians can feel safe, and sprinkle in seeds for native grasses, especially edible ones and let nature do it’s work.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

Its easier to get natives but still takes some effort. But its front loaded and makes beautiful spaces

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There's no way you're going to get Hickory growing naturally in your garden, unless your garden is in some very specific parts of the world.

[–] SpongyAneurism@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is just an example of course. Succession can look differently and lead to very different results, depending on where exactly it is happening.

I'd also argue, that leaving your garden alone to let succession run its course is not neccessarily the ideal to strive for. Even simply speeding up the process to get to the final stage isn't.

Gardens are a very different sort of ecosystem from an extended woodlands area and there are many ways to use them for human recreation and as a habitat for many species, that even exceed the biodiversity of the potentially naturally occuring ecosystem.
A trimmed suburban lawn is just one of the worst options.

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

This is just an example of course.

Of course, but it does annoy me when something so specific is mentioned, instead of simply writing "hardwood trees" (or whatever information it was that the reader was supposed to infer from that example).

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So how do I skip the weeds and grasslands stages and go directly to mature oak-hickory forest, then?

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Millions of dollars, and taking them from elsewhere.

[–] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

Artificially plant and water the trees. Gather a lot or pile of branches for dead wood, one of the defining parts of an old growth forest.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What does the undergrowth of an oak hickory Forest look like? People can plant the trees, but how do you get the undergrowth?

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Order a bunch of plants that are native to your region, plant the medium and shade loving varieties under the trees, see what sticks

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I tried that but the groundhogs and rabbits ate the native plants down to their stems

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Get a dog, mine love chasing off groundhogs and the like.

[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Dogs also typically love to trample the whole yard until it's nothing but clay and dandelions.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 months ago

Try again but with groundhog and rabbit stew.

[–] Mordred_85@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Given time enough sand and leaves and other organic matter deposits in the soil, decomposed by long numbers of life cycles together with dirt and moisture becomes soil, but you cannot plant everywhere trees. Imagine plant an oak in the Sahara, no chance it’ll make it after 3 hours at noon. That’s what succession suggests!

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At some point, it you're assuming a single infographic is intended to be followed to the letter in every area across the planet, then that misunderstanding is your fault

[–] Mordred_85@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind, thanks again for your time and effort of this comment, it should have been hard to elaborate this concept.

[–] turnip@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Where I live you can't cut down a tree, and if it gets destroyed you need to pay thousands for a botanist to come out. I would never take the risk of planting a tree.

[–] suite403@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Yikes. One of those good in theory, but completely backfired ideas

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Where tf do you live?

Nvm Canada. That would make sense in some places.

[–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Destroyed no matter the cause? I've heard of laws like that for intentionally cutting down healthy trees, but it never applied to natural causes.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish I could allow my yard to revert to the low brush it naturally was, problem is that a certain invasive weed from central fucking Asia would disagree. I blame the fucking Russians.

[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is it kudzu? Shit's everywhere.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As the other dude noted it's tumbleweed.

[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago

I guess I learned our most cherished Western stereotype is actually central asian. And that we have a major problem of invasive species across all biomes.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 8 points 2 months ago

Plant some trees to skip a few steps!

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

Huh, my back yard is a gradient of 1-4

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I'll stop at shrubs. Seems like a fair balance

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

I love this artstyle of "Google images + Photoshop" vibe!

[–] hedhoncho@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago

Some spiders are really bad.

....hmmmm...

LOTS of spiders are really bad, and some are acceptable. As long as there is balance and not millions of brown recluses AND they all stay the f away from inside my home.

And they eat the mosquitoes and ticks and whatever else is bad. But also leave the ladybugs and rolley-poleys and honey bees.

And no murder hornets or whatever.. in fact, no hornets at all.