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In case you thought cars would become safer as technology developed... rest assured, Tesla is finding newer and ever-dumber ways to make their cars dangerous to occupants (and others).

TL;DR: If you're in a Tesla and it loses power (like in a fire), the only way to open the doors is often an unlabeled wire behind either two panels or a speaker grill. Tesla owners are DIYing janky rip cords to make that wire easier to pull to escape.

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[–] aeharding@vger.social 78 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Last year 5 people in my town burned alive in a Tesla while talking with 911 operator after a crash. No media reports other than local news.

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/local-news/man-and-woman-from-brooklyn-park-amoung-five-killed-in-crash-near-madison-wi-friday/

[–] FeatherConstrictor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh that's so cool I'm using Voyager rn! Ty for the info

When the article (the original one) said “at least 12 people” had died trapped in Teslas, my first thought was, “At least 12 people are reported to have died, because that number sounds way too low.”

With how much media fuckery by billionaires is going on these days, I wouldn’t be surprised if many more casualties are going un- and under-reported. When rich people control media, they control people’s perception of reality. There’s so much blood on Elon Musk’s hands, it’s sickening.

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 36 points 2 days ago

They crashed near my town!

Our local news also covered it (linked in the article). The local Reddit board definitely noticed how quiet the media was about it.

Because you're right, the 911 dispatch records are public, the dispatcher mentioned that the people inside the vehicle were yelling for assistance. They were alive and awake. They just couldn't figure out how to escape.

God, what a stupid door handle design!

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 110 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Why isn't there a mandatory recall being issued? These shouldn't have been sold with such an oversight.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It wasn't an oversight, it is a feature because manual door pulls are old fashioned and not as cool.

Electronic windows were an improvement over hand cranked, but the doors could still be opened. Though I do wonder if they have ever been the cause of a loss of life.

I agree that this design should have never passed any safety board. That the ability to open the door can be disabled or made much more difficult.

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To your wondering, read the article, and treat yourself to knowing!

TL;DR: Yes, at least 12 people have been trapped in burning Teslas where they were alive after a wreck but unable to escape.

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think they were referring to electric windows, but it is ambiguous in context.

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 19 points 2 days ago

Aw lord, you're right. I didn't read that original comment close enough, thought they were talking about the door releases. Thanks for the heads up.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

That's terrifying. It is a low number, but that it is non zero and the presence of a manual control would change the outcome is not good.

Of course you could find an old car with manual windows, but that would lack quite a few other safety features that have saved many more lives.

Starting to get on the fuck cars bandwagon, just wish I lived somewhere where that was an option.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

DOGE went after the people who could recall Elon's death machines first.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Musk greased the right palms.

[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

And then he gave them a horse afterwards.

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[–] ooterness@lemmy.world 83 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Hiding the emergency release behind a panel should be illegal. These things are death traps.

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That's why they call it a "manual" release, not "emergency". To try and sneak under the radar for doing something so dangerous.

But the worst part is that at peak Tesla popularity, people were blaming the victims for not knowing that it was a small cable, hidden inside the door, under the liner in the door pocket.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

~~people~~ small group of idiots were blaming the victims for not knowing...

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I bought my acquaintance with a Tesler the cheapest glass breaking hammer thingy (1 monies including shipping :)).

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Most Tesla front windows are laminated glass like a windshield, not tempered. It helps block out road noise and wind whooshing which is important in an EV since you don't have an engine rumbling to cover up those noises.

The glass breaking hammer may not be as useful as you think.

https://youtu.be/SsbL388Ay3A

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

Oh, I know almost nothing about Teslas (lack of interest on my part), but you are right.
(Not sure how many Teslas use it tho.)

It seems you can buy little glass saws if your side windows are laminated.

Rescuers use power saws or these little clippers:

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Make them tape it somewhere accessible in the car. If it's loose in the car, the they will never find it in time after an accident.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago

I'll just use it & pre-break all their windows, it's the safest option tbh.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Or.....and hear me out.......

Mahbe just don't buy Teslas?

[–] jonne 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Other fancy cars have similar issues. This is really something that should be dealt with through regulation.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What fancy cars don't have frickin door handles? Does Tesla still count as fancy besides their price point?

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago

I had a loaner Charger EV it also has electric door handles and the manual release is just as hidden. Dodge copied the worse bits of the Tesla.

https://youtu.be/URJSDbe-Nm4

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[–] Metz@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

I think a classic is appropriate at this point.

ROFL

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A guy at work is thinking of buying a Model Y. We've asked why he'd buy one and he doesn't want to come out and say it's to support Musk. Since he's not even considering other EVs, it's definitely to support Musk.

If he does get one, he'll just make excuses as to why it's a POS.

[–] jonne 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lol, buying an electric car to own the libs.

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The richest man in the world needs my help!

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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Here’s the truly maddening part. This isn’t some unsolvable engineering problem. Tons of other manufacturers seemed to have figured this out, and many opt for the same simple solution. In models with electric door handles… Porsche, Audi, Lexus, even the Ford Mustang Mach-E… the solution is elegantly simple: To mechanically open the non-Tesla electronic doors: Just pull the door handle harder.

I wonder if this has to do with patents somehow. I don't get why people would even care about having a car door that requires slightly less force to unlatch to begin with though, if they can't do it safely the obviously better design would be to just have it be a regular car door...

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 18 points 2 days ago

The crazy thing, I think that the other guys are imitating Tesla.

Tesla was an early adopter of electronic latches. They open slightly smoother than a mechanical latch. That smoothness is haptic feedback that became associated with "fancy car" in the buyer's head. The Ford Mach-E and the Audi e-Tron... I think they're just imitating Tesla, only they don't do it in the stupid and dangerous way, because they're not amateurs. They're imitating Tesla while removing the obvious safety flaw in the design.

Of course, you are 100% right. It should just be a regular car door handle, if there is ANY risk of the door not functioning with the silly tiny-added-value electronic feature.

[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You should install a separate battery system (and have it on an easy to access place for simple battery replacement - on the ceiling, for example). Also slap a battery status display on the dashboard, better keep it separate and not depend on the babby tablet. Now, what will this battery power? The emergency system, of course. I've got two words for you: Explosive bolts. That's right, you pull one of the new tiger-stripe-marked levers above each door, and all of the doors eject violently to the side, allowing you to escape a doomed vehicle in any conceivable circumstance. This is what we in the know call "cyberpunk as fuck".

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[–] MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

voids the warranty in 3-2-1

[–] madame_gaymes@programming.dev 18 points 2 days ago (27 children)

I carry something like this in all my enclosed vehicles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_breaker

I wonder if this would even work in a CT considering the tempered glass?

[–] dankm@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago

In a CT you just send a mean tweet and the glass will break. Or at least something will.

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[–] dontblink@feddit.it 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why the fuck not using mechanical ports?

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