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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 128 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The fuck does she think indoctrination means? Oh that's right, they've long given up arguing in good faith. There is no rational point to be made, I always forget that.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Anything she doesn’t already believe.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Indoctrination means 'My children don't respect what my gut knows to be true!!!'

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[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Says the party that literally wanted to modify the grade school syllabus to teach that the 2020 US election was stolen.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

well, that's depressing, thanks for clearing it up.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The department head shit was also extremely frustrating. I wanted the position, had been flow out to a leadership conference by the district the summer before, presented a spreadsheet documenting some of my plans for improvement over five years (detailed, worked with some of the best minds in science education.)

But the anti vaxxer applied too. His great plan was “we should focus on more reading.”

I’m sure the fact that I was 🏳️‍🌈 had zero impact on the principals decision lol. (Anti vaxxer guy did limp wrist impressions of me too. But who the fuck cared.)

Like it’s amazing. Oklahoma just actively does not want capable teachers.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Such incredibly sore losers...

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There’s a reason Oklahoma is 49th for education.

During COVID, the biology teacher at the high school I worked (and later, the fucking department head) was a creationist with a Bible college degree that would compliment students for forgoing masks and explicitly taught anti-vaxx shit.

Climate change is fun too - I put on a PD once and a teacher was really fucking pissed that I was showing data on how Milanokovich cycles do not explain modern climate patterns… literally thought she was going to fight me.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Milanokovich Cycles

That has to be the dumbest excuse for anti-climate change arguments I've heard in a while.

Do people really think that every single climate scientist who has dedicated their lives to studying shit that affects the climate, is unaware of and didn't account for, natural variations in solar energy the Earth receives, which I learned about in elementary school?

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Keep this stuff to politicalmemes community. We non-Americans have enough American news crammed down our throats as it is.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 18 points 1 month ago

We Americans also have enough.

[–] anzo@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Tbh it's the first time I see her name (iirc), and thanks to that everything, including the answer she received, was "amusing" to me.

She pretty much sounds like any of the current right-wing populists and anarchocapitalists. This is an american trend, sadly winning force everywhere.. This meme is fully on-topic across the western world :(

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[–] ThePrimitive@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Federally funded school from age 3 to 20 doesn't sound like education

Yes it does, you bleached Wookie, it sounds exactly like education.

[–] andxz@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Sounds like a stealth insult to bleached Wookies, somehow.

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[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Her side would rather have state-funded religious schools from age 3-20.

[–] ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] don@lemm.ee 32 points 1 month ago

Cons are the stupidest fucks this side of alpha fucking centauri.

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Eating food from birth till the day you die? Doesn't sound like living to me, sounds like an addiction.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just wait til you hear about water! Everybody who drinks it? Dead. 100% mortality rate, no cure, and once you start, you're hooked!

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I may agree with Olbermann here but let's not forget:

Yes I know my enemies

They’re the teachers who taught me to fight me

Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission

Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite

All of which are American dreams

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Came on shuffle the other day and inspired me to pickup the guitar for a couple hours and annoy the crap out of my kid

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

She's got a BA from University of Georgia.

This isn't an education problem. It's pure propaganda and the allure of selling out on social media.

[–] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in 1968 with a bachelor's degree in economics.

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We're all going to run headlong into a very difficult inflection point in human development as a species very, very soon. Which is the looming divide between people who have no idea how their own minds work, and those who have even a shred of self-awareness.

And not a "facebook/twitter argument" type of self-awareness, but understanding that your intelligence and your understanding of things are entirely separate factors. We are species of cognitive dissonance. It's baked-in. Everyone, even YOU personally reading this, has some level of contradictory ideas or feelings that you can't pry apart without effort.

Some people think about how they think, and come to conclusion that they need to make effort to balance out their values and understanding of the world. Other people are going "brain go vroom" and conclude any idea they have, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it aligns with how they feel at that moment, MUST be true because they still think brains are fact-finding machines, not story-telling machines. This is why we have anti-vax doctors and climate-change-denying scientists (although rare) which is because they live in reaction and story-telling, not reason. If anything, education can make it much, much harder to break out of story-telling-reaction mode, because you think your own thoughts far less fallible.

So yeah, education is only part of the problem. We are going to have to figure out ways to teach people self-awareness, how to think about their own thoughts, or we're going to have billions of brains rotting in an AI/social-media/emotional-porn cesspit in the next decade and they vote and carry guns.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 9 points 1 month ago

It reminds me of the "missing missing reasons" post, which describes how for some people reality creates emotions, but for other people emotions create reality

The first viewpoint, "emotion creates reality," is truth for a great many people. Not a healthy truth, not a truth that promotes good relationships, but a deep, lived truth nonetheless. It's seductive. It means that whatever you're feeling is just and right, that you're never in the wrong unless you feel you're in the wrong. For people whose self-image is so battered and fragile that they can't bear anything but validation, often it feels like the only way they can face the world.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Holy fuck do the maga just shotgun acid and become the stupidest zombies?

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean they would probably be a lot cooler if they were on acid all the time.

[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They'd probably chill on the whole "let's make a fascist death cult!" thing too

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago

I wish they would just Heaven's Gate themselves. Why they gotta drag me into that?

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's the neat part. It's weaponized feigned incompetence.

After Noem got the definition of Habeus Corpus exactly wrong in a recent hearing, some Lemmings have suggested that the RNC stooges in power are all playing dumb. Now, I can't unsee it. It makes sense: play dirty because your aims are underhanded and illegal, and your opposition is both outraged and busy attacking the wrong thing. Every time we all get in a fit about how stupid this sounds, which takes up valuable space and time from doing anything useful.

Edit: it's like a misbehaving kid that knows if he keeps telling the right kind of lie he can get away with just about anything.

Edit2: In Greene's case, her "argument" is also signaling being a "useful idiot" to her base for getting the job done.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Not how drugs work

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The US is just not a real country. It's a horror story to scare the children.

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (6 children)

What's especially fucking dumb is the argument of 'hurr money out of your pocket'. That shit goes right out the god damned window the second you look at where our taxes go i.e. the budget. Of what we overall pay education is laughably low.

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[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 month ago

she got engagement and ad-hominem is hardly a burn :/

leaving that musk-fueled cesspool is the better move imo.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stupid freeloading children want us to pay for school when clearly we are low on cash after giving it all to the military!

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Solution: give the guns to kids and send them off to war.

[–] suicidaleggroll@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We tried the first half and they all shot each other, mission accomplished?

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I went to a religious private school and they tried to indoctrinate me to fascism

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thats my point, their accusation is an admission. They claim public schools are indoctrination yet their private schools are (I worded it a bit off)

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

And this is why Twitter should be nuked from orbit…

[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Pretty sure she went to public schools.

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Obviously privately held education will be held to the highest of standards.

And will never indoctrinate. Anyone.

Because the people in power will be held responsible to no one.

Nestle.

Fox.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But no point if the education system doesn't want to teach you but get you more ready for the work force.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

People say this all the time like it's some edgy gotcha.

And while Public education in the United States did really come to full fruition during the industrial revolution, and does do a lot to prepare a person for the workforce, noting not all school are the same..

..I am fully greatful my little rural New England School did a good job teaching me critical thinking. I really loved learning as I grew up and had many fantastic teachers.

To note, over the last 25 years, education funding, for whatever reason, is funded..but poorly. My son is in middle school, I've noticed he doesn't have music class. They have a band and chorus as extracurriculars, but no music theory/history class like I did. I was the last class group to take home economics, and there is no computer class either. Every kid has a Chromebook, but no one is watching a Sweeny Todd on stage, or picking a composer to write a report on. No kid is sewing a teddy bear or making pizza cookies, and they don't have general computer instruction. My son is in special education, so it's hard to gauge one to one, but I definitely feel like his quality of education is less than when I was in middle school 25 years ago, especially when we look at "specials", for what its worth. And this disappoints me.

But education as I see, is not "just to get you ready for the workforce" though that is part of it. A lot of teachers really care, and try to help kids find joy in learning, even still today. Well rounded schooling is important for children to become individuals with the power of critical thought beyond the scope of preparing them to work in a factory.

School where I went, and were my son goes, definitely fit "you get out what you put in".

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