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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The only condition under which I wouid ever consider getting a neural implant, is if the implant and its software is open source.

Any closed source thing you stick in your brain will ultimately doom you.

Besides that, there'd also actually have to be a purpose. As it stands now, cybernetics isn't advanced enough to turn me into a full cyborg, so probably never in my lifetime.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I don't think it's expected that the average person will be jumping at the opportunity to tinker with their neurons. The first line of people to get such implants will almost certainly be people with physical disabilities.

Regarding closed source ultimately being a net negative to your well being, I think you're absolutely right. Unfortunately with as niche as a product like this will be for some time, I worry any corporation willing to put forward the funding isn't going to be willing to open it up to such a degree.

[–] DeathByDenim@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

While true regarding open source vs closed course. The risks are quite large for patients. For example, a few years ago there was a company called Second Sight that made artificial eyes so blind people could partially see again. Then the company discontinued the product and now they are stuck with an unsupported surgically implanted device that they rely heavily on but can break any time. It's pretty risky to have something implanted if you don't know if the company will be around in a decade or so.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

All these brain chips will primarily, initially, be for crippled people. Maybe a controller chip to control prosthetic arms, or something to let a paraplegic person control a computer.

[–] dzsimbo@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

It's still fun to hear the man himself talking about a larger than life virtual reality.

The tech still scares me, I'm not even sure I'd be okay with EEG-like patches that work both ways (scifi, I know), not to mention brain surgery, for pure decadence. But the quality of life benefits really can be huge for many, and that really got my fantasy going, once I 'accepted' we figured out the limits and safeties of bodily autonomy.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

So, to all the people freaking out and saying this is as bad as Musk and Neuralink:

https://starfishneuroscience.com/blog/ultra-low-power-miniature-electrophysiological-electronics/?header-bg=card-bg0

There is here zero mention of things like 'being able to take a phone call' or 'bluetooth your brain directly into a keyboard or mouse or other people's brains' as Musk was saying.

This seems very much intended to be aimed at legitimate medical conditions.

They didn't steal the PhD work of an actual pioneer in the development of medical brain implants via poaching a number of grad students who worked with him (which is what happened with Neuralink, btw), they are instead partnering with basically a nonprofit cooperative of the world's foremost experts on nanoelectronics development, who have an established track record of developing various medical devices.

...

If news comes out about GabeN electrocuting monkeys and pigs to either death, or insanity/brain damage so extreme it causes them to kill themselves to escape the pain (again, this literally happened at Neuralink), then I will absolutely do a 180 heel pivot and condemn the fuck out of that.

Just to be clear here, a BCI is probably the very last thing I would ever be an early adopter of as some kind of commercial, general use product. Seems absolutely insane given the rampant cybersecurity problems just basically everywhere all the time, not to mention I just don't like the idea of an actual chip in my actual brain, permanent holes in my skull.

Valve and GabeN are not some paragons of virtue, they basically invented (and still widely use and encourage) half of the monetization and dark pattern bullshit that is now everywhere in the entire games industry.

... But to me at least, this seems nowhere near as openly, comically, real world supervillain levels of evil as Elon and Neuralink.

[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

had pass on all this bullshit.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This will be for paralyzed people

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago

It will be used for paralyzed people to give it a soft spin, but the goal really is a super soldier or many other applications in the military industrial complex. If it's not for blowing up people, it's for killing people or controlling people. It's not that technology is evil. It's that our economic system and our mode of production and who benefits. That's the problem. The rich are just basically building our prison.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah, maybe just leave all that for people born in 2030.

[–] monke@lemmy.cafe 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The picture in the post is unhinged

[–] sulgoth@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's fairly on brand for Valve, one of their banners was a guy with pipe valve stuck to his head.

[–] FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

More than stuck on

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago

A culture that obsoletes electronics every couple of years and enshittifies services every couple of other years cannot be seriously talking about MMIs/BCIs.

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Finally, Half-Life 3

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

All you had to do was nothing.

All you had to do was NOTHING, Gabe!

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Black mirror did an episode on this

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

I just need to open my work laptop and watch it utterly fail at even the most basic tasks for me to be convinced our level of technology is no where near where it needs to be to start sticking electronics in people's heads.

[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

Die Gedanken sind frei, wer kann sie erraten, sie fliehen vorbei wie nächtliche Schatten. Kein Mensch kann sie wissen, kein Jäger erschießen, es bleibet dabei: die Gedanken sind frei.

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