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Poilievre 'pivots' his Conservatives...with creepy emails and convoy support (infosec.pub)

submitted 3 days ago by recursive_recursion@piefed.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca

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[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

Imagine being dumb enough to think that those convoy loons are representative of Canadians as a whole, instead of being the lunatic fringe embarrassment that they are.

[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 days ago

Little PP is soft of crime. Like 10-ply soft.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Well he's now campaigning for an election in Alberta so presumably there's audience for this. It didn't work well Canada-wide. Come next federal election, the media cycle would ensure people don't recall this episode. If he passes leadership review.

[–] bowreality@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

There is not.

[–] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It didn’t work well Canada-wide.

You mean when he lost the popular vote by less than 2% and gained 25 seats while the Liberals only gained 9? Yeah, obviously nobody liked him or the Conservatives, eh?

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

That's sort of ignoring the context where they were sailing to an easy majority a few months before the election.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

And is why Carney is allowing the by-election so soon. The sooner pp is back in the house, the sooner he opens his damn mouth, and the faster his support falls.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah, exactly. An Erin O'Toole would have killed it this election.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Compared to the predicted devastating loss that had been predicted for the Liberals just a couple of months earlier?

Yes the conservatives failed miserably. The only reason they did as well as they did was the animosity that had been built around Trudeau.

Their success (such as it was) isn't a ringing endorsement of PP or his party, but rather a retreating from who they were running against.

[+] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca -9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

You mean before the Liberals pulled Donald Trump out of their bag and proclaimed that he was an existential threat to the survival of Canada? The same Donald Trump that has failed at almost EVERYTHING he has attempted since he won the election, the Donald thats now so embroiled in his Epstein controversy that he may not survive the midterms? And voters fell for that fear factor, hook line and sinker. Im not saying Carney's not doing a decent job so far, but the 'Donald threat' was definitely overblown. The man is an imbecile with a shotgun in his hand firing wildly in all directions. And f'n up everything he hits. Hes an existential threat to America, all Canada has to do is wait for him to implode, which he definitely will.

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

LOL, they didn't have to "pull Donald Trump out of the bag". We all heard Donny Bonespurs tell the world he wanted to annex Canada as the 51st state. We watched as he tried to intimidate us with tariffs. Do you think we don't get American news up here?

PP has parroted MAGA talking points at every opportunity. Most Canadians, at least those with brains, are looking at what's happening below the border and deciding that we definitely don't want that.

Many of us also looked at the career history of the candidates and decided that a man with years of experience in banking would be better for our economy than a career politician who has never had another job, and who changed his name to try to win votes.

[–] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

We all heard Donny Bonespurs tell the world he wanted to annex Canada as the 51st state. We watched as he tried to intimidate us with tariffs. Do you think we don’t get American news up here?

Of course. But it was Carney who played it up as an 'existential threat' to Canada. Its not. Donnie is a full of shit narcissist blowhard and he fails at everything he touches. But the Liberal strategy was to give Donnie's pathetic weazing as much oxygen as possible, keep people scared, make sure that our economic life depended on someone handling the 'threat' and of course, who better than an international banker. Up til Carney put the spotlight on Donnie Dumpster, most Canadians were focussing on stuff that actually affects their lives like grocery prices, inflation, high housing costs, the increase in crime, the increase in drug use and the flood of TFWs. And THOSE are the things that are still affecting our lives, not the tariffs. But we took the bait and voted for the 'tariff' guy and ignored the guy who's been talking about the more important issues the whole time.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, but the head of government for the world's top superpower just the other side of the worlds longest undefended boarder threatening to annex your country is absolutely an "existential threat" to your country -even if he's a buffoon. I can't really think of a more dictionary-definition example.

[–] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

He also said he'd end the Ukraine war in his first week as president. He didnt do that. He also said he'd lower the cost of goods in the US. Didnt do that. He also said he'd get 90 trade deals in 90 days. Didnt do that. He also said he'd release the Epstein files. Didnt do that. Said he'd bring manufacturing back to America. Didnt do that. Said he'd stop America's wars. Didnt do that....

He's a rambling buffoon who spouts any shit he can think of as long as it gets him on the front page every day to stroke his pathetic ego.

So maybe you believed that he was going to annex Canada but anyone who has watched this moron for more than a month knows that he'll say anything to get attention, and almost all of it is lies and made up bullshit. The only 'strategy' that Carney needs to implement is to wait for him to self destruct and then deal with the hopefully more rational leader that succeeds him.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So maybe you believed that he was going to annex Canada

I didn't believe he could succeed at it, but I also can't discount that he might make an attempt at it.

Just because he is incompetent doesn't mean he isn't also a bull in a China shop.

Even in his incompetence he can cause a lot of damage.

[–] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Indeeed, he already has. To his own country.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

My point still stands exactly as I wrote it. Doesn't matter that he's a buffoon, and it doesn't matter how many things he fails at.

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Donnie is a full of shit narcissist blowhard and he fails at everything he touches."

Tell that to all those people taken off the streets by masked men and whisked off to El Salvador or "Alligator Alcatraz".>

[–] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 days ago

Thats a short term consequence and unfortunate for those people. But look at the long term consequence - America continues to lose credibility in the eyes of the world. Dumpster Donnie, while a hero to the party faithful, is increasingly despised and the American economy is paying the price as not just Canadians but other world citizens are avoiding US good and tourism. He thinks he's "winning" so bigly. He's only delaying his ouster.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I assume this was meant to be in reply to my comment. I highly disagree with your contention that the threat of Trump is overblown. But put that aside. Let's say I grant it, you're absolutely right and the Liberals used the situation at the time to their advantage and pulled victory from the jaws of defeat.

Uh, so what? That's the game. Poilievre tried to paint himself as a protector of Canada as well and the country didn't buy it, at all. That's on him and his leadership. It's not a mitigation of his failure that he got rope-a-doped by what was looking to be a dead Liberal party.

[–] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

and the country didn’t buy it, at al

You make it sound like Poilievre is Jagmeet Singh. Poilievre did lose the election, but not by much. The popular vote was less than 2% difference. And he GAINED 25 seats, the LIberals only gained 9 so percentage wise the Conservatives did a fantastic job of increasing their reach and constituency, just not enough to win the election. The loser in the election was the NDP who got decimated, but to pretend that "the country" thinks Poilievre is a loser is patently false.

He's going to bide his time and when voters see how far the Liberals will sink us into debt, how ridiculous their gun buyback program is, and the next inevitable Liberal scandal, he will emerge to campaign for the next election. Carney's doing a good job so far, but he's still working with the gaggle of bozos who sank Canada as far as its fallen in the last 15 years. There will be a time to make things right again.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Once again, you're ignoring the context around the last election to minimize the Conservative collapse. They were looking at an easy historic win until a world event happened and the Liberals were able to capitalize on it and the Conservatives couldn't. Not a great demonstration of Poilievre's ability to roll with the punches and play the game.

[–] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

One thing Poilievre doesnt do is change his tune because it might be unpopular. He has stated and I totally believe its the case, that one of the main reasons he lost his own riding was that he was honest about the need to cut many gov jobs. Thats a message that doesnt sit well when you live in Ottawa. So Carney gets in and a few weeks later his message is, we're going to need to cut a lot of government jobs. Lovely. And here we are. Poilievre didnt play games, he just said it like it is. And voters punished him for being honest. Weird.

We are at the beginning of ANOTHER LIberal term. We're still in the honeymoon period for Carney. Give him about a year and a half and we'll see where public sentiment sits. Because he's still a Liberal and despite a good start, he has a LOT of Liberal baggage surrounding him and methinks a leopard doesnt change its spots that quickly.

On the positive side, some of the worst of the worst got the royal punting - Trudeau gone, Freeland demoted, Blair gone, Charette gone, Mendecino gone. If Carney keeps up the house cleaning and ACTUALLY does some of the things he's been promising its going to be an uphill fight for Poilievre. But thats good for Canada.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I actually agree with you that Carney will ultimately serve to be an albatross around the neck of the Liberal party and probably serve up a majority to the CPC come next election. Though from the other end of things, I suspect his implementing neoliberal policy that continues to fail to address most pressing issues will sour him on a lot of the coalition he put together to win this go around. 30% of the budget going to the military is going to get a lot less popular if housing doesn't improve or health transfers get cut.

[–] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

I think its budgetary issues that are going to be his Achilles heel. Trudeau went crazy with cash and the last budget was what, 40 billion higher than estimated? The one that he planned to throw Freeland under the bus with? But Carney shows no sign of letting up. He doesnt even want to present a budget, most likely because he doesnt want to be held to account for it.

So everything's going to look rosy as he taxes and spends but without fail, the day of reckoning is coming and thats going to fall on young people who aren't going to be thrilled with the legacy of debt they'll be carrying.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I’ll never understand the right’s fixation on certain characters.

For people who believe in meritocracy, you think they would be more okay with just going down the list.

Or maybe it’s because they don’t have a passable list, looking at your Andrew Sheer

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

I forgot about Sheer. Another career politician who has never had a real job. Okay, his dad did get him a job in his company's mail room. I guess that's more real world experience than PP has had.

Call me crazy, but I suspect that the former head of two national banks just might know more about managing an economy than some guy who went into politics straight after college.