Some computer scientists really went "we made a computer that is programmed in a different way and is sometimes correct" and these idiot corpos went "wow put it in everything"
this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2025
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Excel is the fucking backbone of Microsoft Office. It's solid and backwards compatible for a couple of decades. Excel is the one reason business sticks with Office. It never fails, everyone knows it, nothing can replace it. You cannot trust any other spreadsheet to perfectly translate if you move away from Excel. The world runs on Excel.
I never imagined Microsoft would fuck with Excel. Ever. There's a fairy tale about killing the golden goose, can't remember how it goes.
yep. it's the one tool that is incredibly versatile in the workplace and for which I do not have a replacement
are there better tools? quite often. would those tools be able to be used by anybody opening the files you are sharing with them? nope. and keeping things in the same format means it's very easy to move data across files and link things up.
forms, trackers, calculations, data logging, all easy to reference/transfer to one another and I can expect anybody on my team to be able to work with files I send them without having to teach them how to use a different program
And you dare not risk your financial data when plotting a migration! Been there, done that, no one ever suggested moving from Excel to another product.
Just look what they're doing with their Xbox brand. One of the most well established brands in the most profitable entertainment sector and they are literally setting fire to it in every conceivable direction.
Microsoft must be taking business cues from GRRM... Kill all your main characters.
Forget Xbox, look at how they're treating Windows lately. Loaded with ads and bloat, forced hardware upgrades with Win11, forced MS account sign-in with no option for local accounts unless you're running one of the Enterprise/IoT SKUs....
You can operate without a local account - source, I‘m on Windows 11 and I‘ve never had a Microsoft account - but it‘s a massive PITA and takes a lot of playing around and disconnecting from the internet during install, and stuff like that.
You‘re right that 99% of people won‘t know/won‘t bother to go through the hassle and that Microsoft through the years have been making it harder and harder to have a local account, but at the moment it‘s still technically possible.
I'm on Win11 and see almost none of the issues people like you are talking about. No doubt they exist! Maybe it's because I'm on a plain vanilla ISO and I stripped the crap out early on? Same SSD I had 4 computers ago on Win10, just get moving it over. Talk like yours makes me afraid of a fresh install!
If it's as bad as people say, I'll give up and go Debian. I was largely staying Windows so I could be familiar and support my coworkers. Unemployed now. Who cares?
They've since relaxed a bit on the forced hardware upgrade part; you can install Win11 on 'unsupported' hardware now, you'll just have click a prompt saying you'll get no support and you're on your own if you attempt that, where initially it wouldn't even let you do that.
The forced MS account login is very much an issue with the consumer SKUs and the Enterprise/IoT SKUs still let you use a local account. Similarly, LTSC in particular is barren on the bloat front, while the consumer SKUs and even the non-LTSC Enterprise and IoT SKUs aren't much better in this regard, come loaded with bloat.
unless you're running one of the Enterprise/IoT SKUs....
That is the whole point. They're squeezing the users they don't give a shit about. But personal users almost never buy Windows licenses from Microsoft I'd bet. So what if they switch away? And how are they or their kids going to play Fortnite or League after switching?
The money for Windows non-Enterprise is made with OEM deals. They probably wouldn't even notice if nobody bought personal licenses anymore. Might as well make actual money from selling data about them.
Enterprise is a different story, once you squeeze too hard, companies will find ways to replace you; they are somewhat resilient to pain, but it does have limits.
So what if they switch away? And how are they or their kids going to play Fortnite or League after switching?
Fortnite is probably going to be played on console in that case, and League had a Mac port for a while but I don't know if it's supported anymore after the switch to Apple Silicon.
I think an Apple machine will set you back slightly more than a League capable Windows 11 machine
Like 99% of laptops and desktops sold come with a Windows Home license. Those are OEM deals but they’re also screwing those customers
Yeah, this wasn't about whether they're screwing the customers - they are - but about whether this has any negative financial implications for them
How is adding new features that you don’t have to use but which can be insanely powerful “fucking with it”?
It's about time all those math types learned to relax a bit. These numbers in these spreadsheets don't need to be exact all the time. It's really more about the overall flavor of the spreadsheet than how "right" any individual field is. Error bars are there for a reason people!
Vibe accounting
Microsoft literally calls the feature "vibe working." Youre not far off the actual name.
They aren't even pretending to care anymore.
Sounds like a good way to AI-wash any accounting fraud. Now you can just blame it on Microsoft.
I mean, it's on brand with everything else these days: https://www.newsweek.com/how-much-trump-worth-depends-how-he-feels-384720
It's really more about the overall flavor of the spreadsheet than how "right" any individual field is.
Just like the Xerox copier/scanners that helpfully kept scanned images small by reusing parts of the image elsewhere. Like, all these 6s on your scanned invoices can totally be replaced with 8s. There's just a tiny degradation in the overall image, it shouldn't be a problem!
Xerox should have just called it AI compression and people would have been throwing money at them.
Especially on blueprints, these small file sizes are important. Doesn't matter if you replace these load bearing numbers with different ones, as long as the file is small
“Please calculate the totals to reflect a favourable result”
Sounds like what accountants do already
Accountants tally the numbers and hand you the totals. Twisting them is unethical and can lead to them losing their licenses.
Analysts manipulate the numbers to push a message. No ethics allowed.
Signed, an analyst raised by an accountant. Interacting with other analysts is infuriating.
5/4 times that's true.
It's all about whether your accounts give a vibe of truthiness. Auditors need to chill.
Trillions of dollars to develop a calculator that's wrong sometimes.
AI Agents having access to the functionality of Excel means that they won’t be wrong with the actual calculations though, since it doesn’t do 5x10 in the LLM but instead uses excels built in functions to do it.
AI and excel are a match made in heaven tbh. Same with AI and databases.
0% of the time it works because I shut that shit off the first minute I saw it
$20 of the time
Everyone else who's anti-AI:
- What is that smell? It smells like a used diaper filled with Indian food!
- What is that?! It smells like a turd covered in burnt hair!
- It smells like Bigfoot's dick!
- What is that stench?! It smells like the inside of a fake leg!
ITT: people who haven't seen the movie, I guess.
Did he just spend the first half of the article explaining why 'copilot in excel' (not agent mode) wasn't designed for calculation tasks, them finishes with complaining that on benchmarks it fails 80% of the time?
The 54% accuracy of agent mode should be called out, not the low accuracy of the thing that wasn't designed for it.
54% isn’t really low when people only get 72%.