- Elon Musk ruining what was otherwise an absolutely groundbreaking electric car company before he got involved
- Trump
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- Massive amounts of politicians and car company execs gleefully hopping into bed with fossil fuel companies for longer than almost anyone currently living has been around.
Phrasing matters. The US didn’t ‘get left behind’, it chose to be backward.
Others advertised loud and clear they were pulling ahead; the US slammed the brakes. Consciously and rationally. Others invited the US to lead or at least just join. Nope.
The US is too busy pulling itself apart. Power to you my friends, but the world is moving on. Without you. It will take pain and time, but we will.
In the meantime, please forgo passive aggressive phrasing like ‘getting left behind’. It’s not being done to you, it’s your own choosing.
When fossil fuel companies buying politicians is legalized, this is what you end up with.
Sucking big-oil dick.
I mean same happend with combustion cars. From icons to the worst shitboxes you have ever seen in just a few decades.
The late 90s to early 2010s was peak automotive design IMO. You could still buy a relatively safe car with good performance and decent creature comforts for under $30K, with no spyware bundled in.
These days you can't even buy a car. It's nothing but trucks, SUVs, and crossovers. Part of this is the EPA's fault for loosening fuel economy and emissions restrictions on bigger vehicles. The requirements should be the same, regardless of vehicle size.
All I want is a proper sedan, coupe, convertible, or hatchback that is fun to drive (to make the daily commute more bearable), gets 30+ MPG, isn't the size of a god damn tank, and costs $25K new, just like we used to have. Until that day comes, I will continue driving cars from the 2000s until it stops being practical to do so.
Corruption of everything and white supremacy being rewarded over merit. No big surprise that Elon is an apartheid Zionist South African…so is Thiel. Seems like we give all of our subsidies to these morally bankrupt guys
Saying that we're behind assumes that this is the only and best solution and I think it's a little early to say that
Yep, let’s resist trying something new until after the rest of the world moves on without us, and other countries develop the supply chain and manufacturing to dominate the new industry.
We’re fine milking the old lame disease ridden cow wallowing in its own filth, and don’t need to care about investing in something that will produce next year. More profit now and who cares about the future
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Reminds me of the Obama care talking points where it was bad and republicans were going to have a better idea but just needed to kill the leftist plan first.
Obamacare was the right wing plan. It's been a huge giveaway to the insurance industry, and in the end the US did get the death panels Sarah Palin talked about, except instead of government bureaucrats it's some AI run by an insurer that's accountable to nobody.
The democrats need to finally give Medicare for all a shot, as the current system has middlemen skimming profits off at every step without adding any value.
The democrats need to finally give Medicare for all a shot
They won't. When they passed the ACA they capitulated to Republican demands by implementing Mitt Romney's state healthcare plan rather than a sane single-payer plan like the rest of the world uses despite them having a supermajority in the government and despite the fact that zero Republicans voted in favor of it even after giving them everything they wanted and sacrificing nearly everything good about it.
You should know: Joe Lieberman, Senate Democrat, was singularly responsible for killing the single payer option. Also it was all about the money.
“A public option plan is unnecessary,” he told Fox News. “It has been put forward, I’m convinced, by people who really want the government to take over all of health insurance.”
In retrospect, the half a million dollars in campaign contributions might have been the best money the industry ever spent.
Yep, Romney implemented it when he was governor of Massachusetts
“conservatives” not conserving shit
Or conserving only shit.
The US got left behind the global CAR race in the 1980s, when the Japanese and Koreans started to produce cheap fuel efficient cars.
As of August, the average transaction price of an electric car in the US was more than $57,000, according to auto industry research firm Kelley Blue Book, about 16% higher than the average for all cars.
Not only are there no electric cars I want to buy, they’re also way more expensive than gas cars.
So some of the blame is definitely on the car companies.
Oh yeah it's October now. No more $7500 federal tax rebate. Can't forget about that.
I was shopping for a car recently and really had my eye on the Ioniq 9 but my wife wasn't into the styling. We ended up leasing a top-of-the-line Santa Fe Hybrid tho, and I must say I'm really impressed with it. I'm getting better mileage in the city on this SUV than I get in my 12 year old sedan on the highway. It's nuts.
My car hasn't moved since we signed the lease. I don't even want to drive it anymore. Everything about the truck is infinitely better, but especially the safety features and parking cameras. Of which my 12 year old base model sedan has pretty much nothing.
I might have to lease another car just so we don't break the bank on miles with this one. We love it too much. Mileage anxiety is literally the only reason to drive the old car. That and keeping it from rotting in the driveway.
As someone who doesn’t want a crossover/SUV or a tablet on my dash my options are extremely limited.
Yeah there's a slimming number of sedans and even fewer wagons. And large screens are part and parcel. A lot of it comes down to the requirements for backup cameras (and the trend of more cameras for parking, blind spot awareness/visibility, collision avoidance, etc being tied into that). And a nice crisp infotainment system looks impressive, especially when you're coming from an older car.
I wouldn't mind a hatchback wagon. But most of them are jacked up now and marketed as crossovers. I don't want my second car to be giant. We only need one car to haul the family and all our stuff. Our "second" car should be suitable for 1-2 passengers regularly (occasionally the whole family) with one of them likely being a kid.
Hybrids should get better range than gas cars, especially versus old gas cars. Unless they fitted it with a tiny fuel tank.
I'm comparing a Hybrid SUV to a gas/pzev sedan from 12 years ago.
The hybrid wins on all accounts, despite being a much larger vehicle. It's honestly quite impressive.
Driving habits matter a lot tho. I get way better mileage in the SUV than my wife does. I only get marginally better mileage than her in the sedan. She got a lead foot.
The same billionaires ruining everything else, got it