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I came here around the time the rif app shut down, and the general vibe I get from this place is much more negative than when I joined. Is Lemmy growing more toxic or is it just my imagination?

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[–] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Idk, world events got me raging nonstop and I'm sure I'm not the only one. But I'm trying to reset.

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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

It was just a soke ;)

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Excuse me?! Are you saying I'm negative?! Are you trying to start a fight with me, bro?! I am THE, I mean THE most positive, fun and likeable person on THE internet, bro. THE.

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I've had a private message from a user who's a starting with 'v and ending with n' and that's all I say because if I say the full word I know some angry Internet people are going to show up

They responded with that passive aggressive question tone

I've also run into some lemmy users that spread misinformation about Japan to discredit it which reads like foreign actors intentionally spreading disinformation to discredit a country and its people, the sake kind of misinformation about Japan is much worser on reddit but its not a good thing that it has started to show up here

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[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Lately? Were you not here during elections when a bunch of kids were accusing everyone of supporting genocide?

[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

"Republicans are fascist"

"I know. That's why I'm voting Democrat."

"Democrats aren't real leftists"

"I'm aware but this isn't the time for purity politics."

"Democrats support genocide."

"And Republicans don't?"

"Both sides are equally bad so voting is dumb. Don't vote."

"Listen, I've got friends and family with skin in this game. Both parties fucking suck but you know what really sucks? Having a fucking fascist dimwit who thinks your cousin is subhuman because she was assigned male at birth as your president."

"So you support genocide? Typical libshit."

"Ok, then what is your alternative?"

"You would know what it is if you read this dry, arcane bullshit about the reification of contemporary autonomous groups in Third World popular movements."

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Were you not here for that same year when anyone who said that democrats shouldn't be supporting genocide was accused of being a russian chinese trumper republican tankie bot? Oh, and as you accused in your comment just now, a child.

democrats still have no business supporting genocide. It's shameful and there needs to be accountability. None is forthcoming.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I haven't noticed much, but I do have a lot of people blocked...

The most important thing for me is that the amount of truly thoughtful comments I've seen is higher than on any other platform I use.

[–] Vupware@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And discourse is generally more respectful. Disagreements are handled in a constructive manner at a much higher rate than on any other platform I have used.

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago

Not that I've noticed, but the whole world is growing more toxic as far-right ideology becomes more and more accepted everywhere, so I wouldn't be surprised.

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 day ago

The world has been deteriorating a lot in recently years and inflation is high.

It seems hostility is the norm across most social media.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yup, lost of people here accusing others of being "genocide apologists" for expressing even the slightest approval or agreement with Harris or Biden on anything. Yet, somehow, they don't seem to want to criticize the current administration, blaming everything on the liberals as if they're the ones solely responsible for this mess. Curious, isn't it.

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[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It seems like some AI bots with contrarian comments in order to drive engagement or strong arm wild political platforms have started to leak into the fediverse as a whole. Still better than other options though.

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago (8 children)

There has been a noticeable uptick in new rightist accounts lately.

Instead of blocking people, I tag the bad actors in Voyager and have noticed that most of the toxicity comes from the same small group of specific people.

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[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah. I've enjoyed Lemmy casually for years, but this last year has really killed my desire to read or post here.

[–] Bongles@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For me it's everywhere. I still come to these things out of habit or because i don't have energy for a regular hobby, but it's getting draining. All of social media just brings me back to politics, even if funny memes are in between. I also have a habit of reading comments, and then some dingus brings the one non political thing back down to politics anyway.

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[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 138 points 2 days ago (31 children)

Check your communities, and what instances they're on. Not all are created equal. lemmy.ml tends to be pretty wacko unless you're of their particular ideological alignment, lemmy.world is very very large and thus has a very very large number of obnoxious shitheads compared to other instances. On the other hand, beehaw.org is intentionally and pathologically positive. I also find lemmy.ca quite friendly, though I might be biased.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Can confirm some asshole on .ml is chasing around my comments wasting both our time, isn't that right mistermodal, you incel loser.

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[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes, blocking posts from .ml and dbzer0 helped. Same goes for just liberally blocking anybody, who starts screaming instead of participating nicely.

I've been considering blocking .world, as some of the mods are behaving like power tripping reddit mods. But it's the biggest instance and without it I wouldn't have any content.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm still here at .world because every time I think I've identified a better instance to go to where people seem to like it, I see someone else who recommends blocking it.

I definitely see the appeal of (and need for) blocking individuals, but I think that instances are too big and varied to neatly paint everyone with the same brush.

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[–] oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Oh shit I'm on dbzer0 - just seemed like a good geeky instance. Is it a problematic one? Thx!

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I have heard it several times, but it has also been debunked. I'd stay there if your only reasons are some vague rumours. I mean there are shitheads on any server.

[–] oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks! I'm still a Lemmy account noob though I've been lurking for a year. Ex-Reddit - finally deleted my account there, it was time!

Part of what took me so long to sign up for Lemmy was ADHD and trying to choose an instance to join! So in the end I picked a geek/coder/anarcho/punk/egalitarian seeming one.

Hadn't really thought about people blocking the whole instance. I mostly just like to help answer questions and engage in some online banter.

Is this the point in my Lemmy life where I decide to create a second account on another instance just in case!? Probably, lol!

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[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Let me preface this by saying that the following are my opinions. They're based on my experiences and prejudices. Take it with a grain of salt, and make of it what you want.

I don't block users by instance, just posts. Posts on your instance tends to get moderated heavily one-sided. I got reprimanded (I think it was a temp ban, but I can't remember) for being skeptical about AI. I don't want to spend time and energy engaging in a discussion under those conditions.

But that doesn't mean every dbzer0 user is an AIvangelist. Same goes for .ml, they're not all tankies ... although I've found that not engaging with .ml users tends to give me a more pleasant experience in general.

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Blame reddit. Lemmy is the home for us, the permabanned.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not that hard to be a good person. I don't care if you've banned me from your community, if your community exists to spread hate i'm going to do everything in my power to disrupt and derail your community. We're at the stage in humanity where theres no longer any excuse to justify anything less than being a good person.

If you are not going out of your way to improve everyones lives, you are the problem and should just die. Theres way too many people just like you who think the world is just going to improve so we dont need to out the nazis and racists and sexists. Nah fuck that, i see a nazi and im going to harrass them until they die, hopefully by their own hand.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I don't like the moderation logs, because they keep the moderators who censor content anonymous. You can't tell people which moderator is being abusive, so ALL moderators have to be painted as a jackass. That isn't good, because good moderators have to be a human shield...and the community can't establish trust.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know that I've noticed a real uptick. But in the past couple weeks I have noticed a few ridiculous right wingers and I blocked most of them since seeing their bullshit is bad for my mental health.

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[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I've seen roughly the same time frame. As far as I can tell no, this is just how toxic this place is. There's a bunch of people who continuously claim people from reddit are coming and bringing some form of toxic with them, but as often as not those people seem super toxic. There's a huge community of Linux fanboys who circle jerk over the same exact talking points in different meme formats (the talking point being "windows 11 is spyware, Linux Just Works ad doesn't even require a login -- but don't worry guys, this is the year of the ~~Linux desktop~~ steam deck"). There's a huge circle jerk over whether or not Russia is bad. There's the "liberals aren't leftists, liberals are capitalist genocidal shitbags" circle jerk. None of these have really changed in at least the last year, it's the same people making the same posts on the same topics.

But, it's nice to see a news feed of interesting posts so as long as you ignore the bullshit it still seems fine. Or if you like arguing.

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[–] LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

I imagine it can be hard to scroll past someone saying something very off the wall. When you read someone's comment it's hard not to feel like they're talking directly to you, and if you don't align with what they're saying, especially if you're far from it, it can be hard to resist correcting them or giving them your opinion, when I catch myself doing this, I try to reframe it to ask a question, rather than dump opposing facts.

But there's another perspective I try really hard to keep in mind, if I were sitting at a table with a group of people and someone was loudly saying those things to me in person, I wouldn't engage. I'd move to a quieter spot and ask the people I do like at the table to come for a chat there, or I'd acknowledge their feelings (but not the topic) and move to a different conversation topic.

But I feel like I need more practice at doing this when it's in a text form of socializing, as this is.

I notice some amazing people on here, whom I aspire to learn from, that handle conflicting opinions with grace, and inclusion.

And I understand the dehumanisation that text conversations, present, it can be easy to imagine a hostility that may not be behind the comment. We're all filling in the blanks of the personality behind the commenter. I worked a checkout for a good decade, so I'm very familiar with positions that can become dehumanised. Especially seeing as that seemed to be throughout a time when a huge bulk of people felt like they were only going to get righted the situation they believed had wronged them, by yelling or getting massively agro at the poor checkout chick who was gunna set that right wrong, because fk corporations, I enjoyed giving as much free stuff away as possible, any excuse, within the rules I could muster.

I absolutely understand tensions being high, currently, with world events being what they are. And there's so much propaganda trying to brain wash us into being an army for their cause, and it's all rage baity. So there's even more rage and tension built up. I get it.

I really feel for people who can't, and haven't been helped to learn how to help and sooth their emotions, and then those emotions fester into all consuming things. And they find a cause to funnel that emotion into. Without really addressing that emotion, therefore not actual helping, processing or soothing that emotion.

See, we feel a feeling first, and then we ascribe a meaning, after. Except those two parts of the brain don't actually communicate. The emotional brain is essentially non verbal, and the thinking brain, is verbal, but obviously it doesn't do emotions. So you have this thinking guy in your head trying to tell you what emotions mean, except that guy is not an expert and knows nothing about them.

Your emotional brain is essentially a, very detailed messenger system for checking the temperature of the room. If shit feels off, it sends an alarm. Your emotions are a message to you that the shower temperature is too hot. It's not really about that argument you had with your sibling last fortnight.

And to top it off, your emotional brain is non verbal, so all that ranting that you do, thinking that you solve the anger (or whatever emotion) you feel isn't! It's actually making it worse.

Your emotional brain is super primal, and very simplistic. All it wants is to know you took your hand out of the broiling hot shower water, and now your safe, and it's message worked. It feels the environment and let's you know if that's vibing good stuff or danger. Sometime all you gotta do is change environment, or do a couple of jumping jacks, to help that emotional brain know, dangers gone. If you sit in the same spot and stress, your brain can even learn, that's a stressful spot to sit, every time we sit here, bam, gotta be bad, and spits up those same feelings, even if it's about nothing, just habit.

It also believes anything you tell it, because it's listening to vibes. So even if shits fkd, right now, you have to keep telling yourself, everything is OK, you are safe and a capable bad ass, who has handled all the shit life threw so far, so you absolutely got this. Time to shine.

Your emotions are a message for you, and you alone. And if you expect others to sooth your emotions, all the time, you tell yourself that you don't trust yourself to be capable of helping yourself process emotions. Obviously, we also need connection, so at the same time, it's not at all about doing it alone. But it's more about feeling safe to sit in emotions, rather than, fixing them. The way forward is sometimes the way back, sit in the emotion. Don't try and put it out like it's a fire, or distract it with shiny things. Just be, and listen, feel. Sometimes you need to sit with someone and not feel like you have to create a false front. Just sit and feel, for a bit.

If you're getting stuck in emotions for elongated periods of time, there's people who spend multiple years at school learning how to try and show you all the tips and tricks we've learned so far. Have a chat with one (or two if you don't vibe with numerous uno) of them.

It's literally all about emotional regulation. The mean people, haven't been able to process their emotions, have never been taught how, their parents didn't know, themselves, to tell them. And they're being bombarded with proverbial tornadoes from all sides. And there's so much rage baity propaganda, all designed to fuel and feed off that.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It doesn't feel unique to Lemmy to me. I'm seeing higher levels of hostility in just about any environment broad enough to include left and right wingers

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

well have you noticed (waves at everything) in the world?

[–] groet@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I also noticed how every post just has 5-10 random down votes. Like perfectly fine post in the correct community, not controversial, no rules broken, -10 down votes.

[–] Leax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

Tempting to downvote that post, not gonna lie

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[–] MantisToboggon@lazysoci.al 68 points 2 days ago (4 children)
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[–] janewaydidnothingwrong@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You suck! (im sorry im just kidding)

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[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (15 children)

For sure. I posted content on selfhosted for the first time and got called a "filthy boomer" because it was a screenshot, then people basically told me to grow thicker skin went I complained. Why be better than reddit huh? Guess people just want reddit 2.0

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[–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Post quality go down. Echo chamber go up.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

Hmm... maybe. The state of the world has been pretty awful for the past year so I imagine that plays a part. Aside from trolls, lots of us are on edge as the whole world seems to tilt right with propaganda and AI.

That said, I like us.

I browse bluesky too and find I actually prefer Lemmy because it's a bit more self-policing... Like regarding AI slop, bluesky is fucking rampant with it, like Trump dressed as a clown or Newsom with abs, it's fucking awful. Lemmy has a couple communities for AI but on average, you try that shit and you'll get publicly shamed. That could be considered mean, but I appreciate it (especially if it's AI I can't even tell).

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