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it is innovation. corporations find innovative way to screw the customer and possibly extract rent from them

[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 178 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Two days until the screwdriver for this appears on AliExpress if they start using it...

[–] Bunitonito@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have a set of spanner drive screwdrivers, I'd walk right over this design

[–] Spider89@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

My spanner broke ):

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 152 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Just as a friendly reminder. Here in Germany, BMW would have to provide access to the required tools. After all, we have a right to repair over here in Europe.

And if you are american: fucking fix your government

[–] BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip 63 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

And if you are american: fucking fix your government

I try everyday and I will not give up until it's fixed.

Your government could end up more like mine if the AfD takes power so I urge you and all Germans to fight that with everything you got. It's terrifying here and I really don't want other people to have to go through what we're going through so please take action now.

One threat that I believe people in Europe are not taking seriously enough is foreign interference in your elections from our Oligarchs like Elon Musk and our government. Trump's so-called National Security Strategy explicitly calls for interfering in EU countries and the Heritage Foundation (the organization who planned much of Trump's second term) has explicitly called for eliminating the EU.

Please consider these actions to immunize yourself and your country from us:

  1. Stop using Twitter, Meta products, TikTok and Reddit. These companies all have owners who are sympathetic to the Trump regime or in the case of Twitter it's way worse. I'm personally a big advocate for Bluesky for replacing Twitter and of course goes without saying I really hope Lemmy can fully replace Reddit.

  2. Educate people on how to recognize disinformation and propaganda. This should be taught in school along with classes to mitigate the harmful effects caused by social media. Classes should hopefully cultivate skills like emotional regulation, critical thinking and conflict resolution because cognitive warfare is more successful against people who are weak in these skills.

  3. Try resolving people's frustrations and social differences without them turning towards the far-right. This is part of how Trump got into power some people feel unhappy and vulnerable so the far-right takes advantage of them. I don't understand this well but I've read that part of the AfD's popularity has to do with unresolved differences between East and West Germany. If I'm wrong here or misunderstanding I apologize.

  4. If applicable campaign finance reform especially to restrict foreign money. I suspect Germany is way better than America here but if this is a risk please fix as soon as possible.

  5. Consider simulating what would happen if the AfD were to take power almost like the way a pentester tests software. Figure out what vulnerabilities in your government the AfD could exploit and solve them before they take power. This is really important because for Trump you can think of him almost like a hacker except he's not breaking into computer systems, he's exploiting vulnerabilities in both humans and our government doing things like declaring fake emergencies.

Obviously this is by no means a complete list. I'm sure there's a lot to do.

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[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Amen sister or brother. Amen

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[–] Azal@pawb.social 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And if you are american: fucking fix your government

I live in a red state where our last two Attorney Generals used the position as a ladder to go to the senate. The first one on the whole Jan 6 attack ran like a coward after fist pumping to the crowd of rioters. The state loved it so much they elected his clone.

Some states are just choke holded by a cult. This isn't a top down thing, no matter how much the President thinks he is. No, down to the grass roots we are fucked to a level that I don't see how we come back from.

The worst part, the state I'm in now is an improvement from the last one I escaped.

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[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

we just take the piss and moan approach then vote back in the assholes.

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[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Someone will just make the required tools. You can buy the keys for TSA locks on Amazon. I think we're past fixing this country. Once the American empire falls, hopefully we'll fall in line with the rest of the world. Though I'd like for someone to fix this country.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Slotted spanner would handle this, I've got several sizes in my toolbox right now.

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[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Pardon the circlejerk interruption, and believe me I hate BMW just as much as the next person, but this is just a patent application. Like, if you realize your logo has the potential to be a screw head, why would you not patent it to prevent others from using the design.

It’s not made it into any cars, and so far as I’ve seen there are no plans. Even if it does I’d think it’d only be used in some customer-facing application; interior maybe, or decorative attachments in the engine like valve covers etc. Slightly asshole that you’d need a different tool, but not exactly the end of the world unless they actively prevented the tool from being made.

My two cents

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 83 points 1 week ago (1 children)

After the whole heated seats subscription bullshit I expect only the worst from them.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago

That’s a fair point.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Patenting things you don't have intention of actually doing, "just in case", is just shit tbh.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Used to be called patent trolling, but now that all the big corporations that own the politicians deciding patent law are doing it, it's considered "prudent business practice"

IBM alone files more patents that they'll never use (except for lawsuits in case someone else does something useful with something similar) in a year than most companies file IN TOTAL for several decades.

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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah the patent doesn't mention anything about it being a security screw as far as I can tell, it just looks like they patented a dumbass design that's only useful for the aesthetics and people are making some sensational headlines. Like, yeah, we'd just get or make the bits to undo them - they also know that?

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Honestly, it doesn't look like a dumbass screw to me. Phillips heads are dumbass screws. It is a shit design. This actually looks quite solid as a screw head.

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[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They will have the patent on the corresponding driver for the screw, and i doubt they will allow third party shops to purchase the drivers for anything resembling a reasonable price. Meaning that you will be forced to take the car to a BMW authorized mechanic. It's taking away the consumer's right to repair.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s all conjecture at this point. The patent alone on the screw head I understand, because companies are obligated to protect their logo.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

You dont need a patent to protect a trademark.

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[–] Skanky@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Did you see the Rossman video about this? The patent explicitly calls out that the reason for this design is to prevent people from using it without the proper "authorization" or told or whatever. It is not about branding or better functionality or anything else

[–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Idk what a rossman video is, but bmw, being a german company, is beholden to Right to Repair. They need to make the tool available

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[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You know, I think one can drill out a bit in the centre and it'll work with a flathead.

Not that I'd buy a bmw, or a car for that matter.

[–] lettruthout@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You‘re onto something there. Another approach would be to use a Dremel tool to grind a narrow slot.

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[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would guess that voids the warranty. After five years I guess they have planned obsolescence and brick the car

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[–] FisherOfSaints@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Capitalism breeds the kind of innovation that benefits capital. And that’s it

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago

Capitalism breeds innovation to make more and more profit sometimes that accidentally benefits people but rarely.

[–] Bubs@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Nerd talk: (putting aside the ethics of the article), would that be a good or bad screw design compared to screws we currently have available?

Manufacturing the screwdriver/bit would be super easy, one pass with a flat bottom cutter to remove each quarter from the end.

The two remaining quarters of the bit being separated could maybe be more of a problem than if they were joined together.

You would get the same contact area as a flathead screw, but with only half the material behind it. But the bit would set so much better than a flathead and would not slide around.

I'm curious how something like this would compare to a hex or star screw. I would imagine a little bit worse, but the potentially easier manufacturing might make up for it.

[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

The surface that takes the pressure would be very similar to a flat screwdriver. Looks like it has no taper, so it would be harder to put in place but harder for it to skip when applying torque. It's not a good design, but not horrible.

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A lot of screw driver heads started like this.

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[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’ll take about 30 seconds for the aftermarket to have a screwdriver that will fit it.

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And it'll just be different size spanner-type heads, more durable ones likely using the bi-metal ones (like in the second pic)

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[–] cron@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Just as a side note: According to the patent application, BMW plans to use this special screw for parts of the vehicle that are not for regular service, e.g. airbags and seat mountings.

Examples include seat attachment points and joints between the cockpit and the load-bearing structure of the body.

These are IMO not the kind of screws you need to use to carry out regular maintainance or repair tasks.

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can see closing up non-serviceable components like an airbag module or ECU, like in place of rivets or potting, as it can make forensics easier in a failure. But, people swap out car seats all the time, and even sometimes the steering wheel too.

Also, for the first 5 or 10 years. No. You may not normally need to touch those parts, but as the car ages and wears, those parts may need to get swapped or removed to get at the failing part. (Similar to how you need to pull the entire engine just to change the water pump on some Toyotas)

Just because the parts aren't on the roster of regular maintenance, doesn't mean that an experienced DIYer wouldn't want to swap the part themselves for whatever reason somewhere down the road.

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[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

This is frustrating but anyone dumb enough to let this be a major hinderance to them working on their own cars deserves to get scammed by the dealership. $30 on a knock off set of these screw heads vs thousands of dollars at the dealership. The main problem with BMW cars is that they're designed to be difficult to work on even in spite of stuff like this. You have to take the whole car apart to do basic maintenance.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Nono, thats corporatism. Capitalism free market is perfect and this would never happen.

[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 6 points 1 week ago

People who buy BMW’s aren’t doing their own repairs most of the time anyway because they suck at it.

Oooh wow sure would be a shame if someone replaced all those proprietary screws with torx or something 😏

[–] F_State@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's the illusion that capitalism breeds innovation but ultimately it's just that the only gatekeeper to innovation in a Capitalist society is money while in all the attempted socialist societies, workers can be locked out of attempting innovation by party committees.

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[–] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Sweet. I just invented a screwdriver that fits that design! I’ll make sure I farm out the product creation to china so I can sell these for cheap on anmazin and make sure there’s a need for multiples due to the shitty quality of the material. I’m thinking built in faults in the handle that slowly snaps if you tap the end or drop the product.

I’ll make millions!!!!!

/s seriously, how does this help humanity? What the fuck does this do other than make sure I can’t choose where or how I repair my car?

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