Why not build a separate one to train those without such?
I mean, if we're doing a two tier thing, surely it'd at least be educational, to help the disadvantaged...
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For a place as left as Lemmy, the idea of shopping without disturbing people is surprisingly popular.
It's like Socialism, don't call it by its name and everybody likes it.
Why do you think disturbing people while shopping is a left wing thing?
I don't think that. I think that a good society comes from interacting with people and helping them develop. There is no need for separate spaces if people teach each other how to use credit cards or how to pack bags efficiently.
Well, that place sure ain't fucking Costco, that's for damned sure.
people lack spacial awareness in the grocery store because a supermarket is an example of hostile design. it is intentionally disorienting and overloads you with information
Lol, what? I have no issue navigating one. "Overloads you with information", for fuck's sake, they're selling thousands of things.
It's almost a straight ass grid. How are you being disoriented lol
It definitely plays into that. But just the other day i was shopping on a pretty busy day, and someone just left their child in the cart playing Fortnite in the middle of the store. Every one bumper cart pushed him out of their way, into someone else's way. The kid didn't even bother to look up. Some people just don't give a shit.
The fucking floor displays in aisles that create chokepoints, and then aisles that have a bunch of popular shit all together creating a traffic jam. And don't get me started on the lack of manned checkout lines anymore. Self-checkout is adequate as express lanes (i.e. limited number of items, limited produce, no alcohol) but sucks if you are buying more.
I try to go later in the evening to avoid the rush.
The most annoying thing about the self checkout is the need for you to put the entirety of your shopping on the time you weighing plate to make sure that I'm not buying my weekly shop but then sneaking a bottle of water past the system.
At least the IKEA self checkouts don't do that. They let me buy my Pœlēøïng in peace
i also bring my own shopping bags. the grocery store here (the only one, a walmart) disabled the scales because they don't have the staffing to deal with all the false positives, i guess.. but anyway, i've gotten to just taking the wireless hand scanner (which is much quicker than the register's scanner) and scanning stuff in the cart and then bagging it right away--all right in the cart. only produce gets put up by the register, since it needs to be weighed anyway.
They let you buy your what? I promise I tried to look it up, but I had no search results.
It's a cooking method
I have 5 dollars on it being some kind of dresser!
It's IKEA so like 90% of their product it's probably a random small table for some reason everybody seems to need.
This is the core problem, right here. At a minimum, people need training to learn what information to ignore so you can navigate the whole thing. Even if you know the store's layout, you still need to have the will to ignore advertising and disregard extraneous information. Being a fast reader that can do fast mental math, also helps tremendously.
Traffic flow is another problem. Wegmans is the chief offender here, IMO, by putting impulse items in massive crates that crowd the store entrance+exit combo. It amazes me that it's not a fire hazard, because it makes entering the store a nightmare. But most grocery stores have awful choke points in produce, dairy, meat, and other high-traffic areas. And of course those are the stores that have no small carts or hand-baskets, obligating customers to gum up the works with big metal baskets that are 70% empty.
A better idea is a store that doesn't flood your eye sockets with information you don't absolutely need. Get rid of the special displays, end-cap bullshit, and vendor promotional stuff. Then, normalize all the price tags and include unit cost per lb/oz/L/whatever to make bargain hunting a snap. Then, measure the fucking carts and make sure that two can get by everywhere in the store. Finally, pick a store layout and stick to it.
I want to say that Aldi is already doing all of the right things, but I could be wrong.
Aldi is by far my favorite. No nonsense, good prices. You're in, you're out. I appreciate they don't play games.
The only thing that might be a problem is that milk and butter is at the back. But that is actually fine because everyone goes clockwise around the aisles, and there is room to pass, so it flows really easily. You go past all the basics you might need in like a minute.
I always figured milk and butter is at the back to minimize refrigeration loss from the front door opening
Milk and butter is placed in the back of the store to increase the chances you will buy something as you walk by. Every grocery store does this.
that's one reason, the other is that the large display coolers where those items are often located are just a wall of a large walk-in where other stock not on display is stored. those are along a side of the building, and the back wall is nearest the loading docks (usually) so those items can be rolled right from the incoming trucks to the cooler easily.
Lots of the time it is a fire hazard, but unless the Fire Marshall knows about it nothing gets done.
Fire code is usually checked when the building is built or if there's a remodel, but otherwise most places can go a long, long time without a fire inspection unless there's a specific complaint.
Reporting suspected safety issues to the Fire Marshall or Building Official is okay. You're not being a Karen. Building and Fire codes are written in response to avoidable tragedies and should be followed.
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Can we also make people who still pay for things at a store with a check go to the bad one? It was before the pan, but I couldn't believe what I was seeing when a lady pulled out her checkbook in front of me at the checkout line. Gtf outta here.
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