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cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/46886810

The American president has invited Canada to become his country's "51st state," an idea that has infuriated most of Canada's 40 million citizens.

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Hence this suggestion: Why not expand the EU to include Canada? Is that so far-fetched an idea? In any case, Canadians have actually considered the question themselves. In February 2025, a survey conducted by Abacus Data on a sample of 1,500 people found that 44% of those polled supported the idea, compared to 34% who opposed it. Better the 28th EU country than the 51st US state!

One might object: Canada is not European, as required for EU membership by Article 49 of the EU Treaty. But what does "European" actually mean? The word cannot be understood in a strictly geographic sense, or Cyprus, closer to Asia, would not be part of the EU. So the term must be understood in a cultural sense.

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As [Canadian Prime Minister Mark] Carney said in Paris, in March: Thanks to its French and British roots, Canada is "the most European of non-European countries." He speaks from experience, having served as governor of the Bank of England (a post that is assigned based on merit, not nationality). Culturally and ideologically, Canada is close to European democracies: It shares the same belief in the welfare state, the same commitment to multilateralism and the same rejection of the death penalty or uncontrolled firearms.

Moreover, Canada is a Commonwealth monarchy that shares a king with the United Kingdom.

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Even short of a formal application, it would be wiser for Ottawa to strengthen its ties with European democracies rather than with the Chinese regime. The temptation is there: Just before heading to Davos, Carney signed an agreement with Beijing to lower tariffs on electric vehicles imported from China.

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[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This will never happen since the Americans would see it as intentionally antagonizing. They've made it clear they see the Western hemisphere as theirs.

In fact, in response they may take more deliberate action to capture control of Canada coercively. Being part of the EU would provide no meaningful protection against that. It would unnecessarily invite a more aggressive American posture towards Canada.

If Carney did this it would be one of the biggest blunders in modern political history. Thankfully he's a pretty smart guy. There's very little value in joining the EU for Canada.

There may be overlap in values but Europe is not what it used to be. Much of the worlds economic growth will be driven by the global south for the next thirty years so Carney is wise to prioritize carefully calculated deals with those countries.

He will be travelling to India next, let's see what he can secure as far as a trade deal goes. The EU and India are celebrating their recently signed free trade agreement, perhaps Carney will follow suit.

[–] Toto@lemmy.world 91 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They aren’t comparable. One is the prospect of a forced marriage, the other is being asked to join a semi functional study group.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 43 points 1 week ago

Forced marriage to a violent, abusive bully, vs study group with a disorganized slightly autistic nerd who's really smart. I don't want to spoil the endings, but I think we should all be able to figure out which one is going to have a positive impact on our lives and which one's going to turn us into a domestic violence statistic.

[–] agingelderly@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm already jealous of Canadians, to give them passport free travel and the option to move anywhere in Europe.... fuuuuck me

[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

id go live with my brother in germany for a while, id love to see the black forest and the old castles. or go look for some amber chunks in the water of the baltic sea.

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[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 week ago
[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 27 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Quick fun fact: Morocco considers itself European in a geographical sense, or at least they once did and applied for membership.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I don't think Morocco is super European culturally though. There are values they very much disagree with most Europeans on, such as LGBTQ rights.

I have no issue with Morocco as a trade partner, or easy travel between Morocco and the EU, but I don't think we'd like the vibes they'd bring to the European Parliament, etc.

There's something to be gained from diversity of course, but I do think their society's values are a bit too different from most of ours.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Being not 100% a democracy and having massive nationalistic tensions with an equally powerful neighbor is a pretty big pill to swallow, as well.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Having nationalistic tendencencies seems on par with many European countries today.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Nationalistic tensions. As in, they're locked in a long-term military rivalry with Algeria. Only Greece really falls into that category as far as I know.

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[–] WonderRin@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Personally, as a European, I would be pro this happening if Canada wants to join and the EU is willing to let them join.

I get that geographically it wouldn't make much sense, but culture is also important. Geographically, Belarus for example should join the EU instead of Canada, but I think most of us can agree that Belarus should not.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Canada does share a border with Denmark, so, geographically, it's feasible.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The American president has invited Canada to become his country's "51st state,"

Not invited.

He threatened to annex Canada.

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[–] leastaction@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Canada is an independent country, thank you.

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Meanwhile USA east and west coast are looking into joining Canada (and EU?) while Trump is looking into convincing Canada's oil producing provinces to join becoming states.

People wanted change. They're going to get it. Not the one they voted for probably.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (33 children)

Any US state that wanted to join Canada would have to reckon with the "guns" thing. Even states that align with Canada in most ways still have a lot of gun nuts, even left-leaning gun nuts. Meanwhile, Canada has slowly been tightening already fairly restrictive gun laws. One glance across the border makes Canadians convinced that guns just escalate problems, they don't solve them.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I don't think Canada joining the EU is really realistic. It's not about geography, it's mostly regulation.

For example, all EU countries meet the "European standard EN 50075:1990", which is about electrical plugs. Every device in Europe is compatible with that plug, and every plug meets that standard. Even Switzerland which isn't part of the EU meets the 2-prong standard. Canada uses the NEMA 1-15 and NEMA 5-15 standards instead. And it isn't just the plugs. North America uses 120 V at 60Hz, Europe uses 230 V at 50 Hz. I really can't see a way for Canada to switch to the EU standard without a massive cost and/or a very long implementation period. And what does it gain? I much prefer europlugs and 230V appliances. My electric kettle boiled a whole lot faster in the EU, and things were retained in the socket much better than the dumb blade connectors Canada uses. But, I wouldn't want to have to pay an extra $2000 in taxes (x 40 million or whatever) just to switch to this slightly better standard.

That's just the start of it. There are different standards for roads, vehicles, health and safety, basically every aspect of life. Canada could switch to some at great expense, like changing all road signs. But, AFAIK being truly part of the EU would mean switching to all EU standards, unless special exemptions were made.

IMO, what would make more sense is just closer integration: free movement of people, free movement of goods, maybe closer collaboration on research, health and safety, etc.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago

Canada and the EU can agree to a gradual transition, with support and planning - EU supplying the necessary devices for replacing current ones, modest discounts for trading old vehicles for new, focusing on replacing small township infrastructure before doing the bigger cities, and so forth.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Exemptions are made all the time.

The UK never had that, and we were in the EU for ages. We still had pints. We measured the road speed in miles.

Realistically the EU is just a collection of nations with similar socio-economic status and roughly similar culture. None of them dominate the others. Much of the rules are just common sense shit. Don't sell easily combustible clothing, etc. Odds are you meet most of it already.

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[–] Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There are several standards for plugs. Types C, E, F, and G. Only the slim ungrounded plugs will fit in type C, E, and F sockets. Grounded type F plugs will be ungrounded in C or E sockets, and grounded type E plugs don't fit in anything but a type E sockets. If the type C or E are the full round plug, neither will fit in a type F socket even if it is ungrounded (I know this because I had to trim excess plastic from a type C plug to use it in a type F socket. Type G is used by Ireland Malta and Cyprus and is entirely incomparable with the other types. Type G also makes an excellent caltrop and will fuck up your foot in a profound way if you step on it. Then the Italians swiss and Danes all have their own style of plug. Most of the countries have a mixture of type C and whatever earthed version that country prefers.

The above picture is a typical situation in Norway. The left most type C plug only fits in the type F socket because I butchered it. And the earthed type F plug is only earthed in a type F socket. Many older buildings only have type C sockets in most rooms (the kitchen and bathroom are always upgraded to type F and there's usually a cluster of type F sockets in the living room on the same wall as the TV).

As for the voltage requirements that's only a thing because the entirety of Europe is connected in one large grid. Obviously Canada wouldn't be.

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[–] r8KNzcU8TzCroexsE2xbWC@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I like this idea a lot but would like to retain our currency. Otherwise I think it’s all upside.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Why are you attached to the currency?

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[–] Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As an Irish man I think Canadians should get grand fathered in automatically. Not the EU. But the NATO2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

Canadian politicians make all these BULLSHIT overtures about opening up trade and building up ties to the EU.

But it's been a year, and we're still stuck with just Apple and Google for phone options, with nothing like the fairphone available.

Someone should really smack Carney upside the head on this one.

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