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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 157 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I can already hear the carbrainrotten screaming "But thats dangerous, what if i run into it" as if the danger wasnt their own fault for going too fast and not yielding.

[–] untorquer@quokk.au 83 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They might get a few scratches from those flimsy flexible plastics but it's not dangerous.

They'll definitely compassion about the possibility for scratches screaming, "that could damage my property!" though.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Make them metal bars that rise up, like those that are placed at the entrance of some stores to deter vehicular raid. That will quickly make them re-evaluate.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you! Learned a new word.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah make them reinforced barriers.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd be more worried about them coming back down on pedestrians.

Yeah ofc this specific implementation was just supposed to be an art piece i guess. In practice you just have to use those concrete pillars or ramps that come out of the ground.

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[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 81 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

it's cute and all, but the real reason they don't stop is because the authorities aren't enforcing that law effectively. the places where people stop crosswalks do so because they'll get a ticket if they don't.

this may raise awareness, but won't change behavior in the long run.

when i lived more in the city and didn't own a car i would make hard eye contact with drivers when crossing. my logic was that if they kill me I'll at least haunt their dreams with that look.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You can do the same thing without cops more cheaply in the long run. Just raising the crosswalks to sidewalk height completely changes driver behavior, as it's both a speed bump, and it's clearly communicated that the crosswalk is the pedestrians' territory that the driver is crossing through.

We can deal with most of these issue through design rather than a threat of fines.

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[–] khannie@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Cyclists have a name for that and I think it's something like "the life saving look". Usually used when changing lanes or at an intersection.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As a cyclist it was mainly for me to make sure the driver saw me.

As a pedestrian I do it were I am living nowadays when I'm about to cross the road on a pedestrian crossing, but that's mainly because around here people's behavior is mainly moderated by public shame and drivers tend to feel anonymous behind the wheel, so the point of looking at the other person rather than the car is to get them to feel seen and judged.

Can't be sure if this latter use of looking actually works, but the one I do as a cyclist definitely works and has saved me from accidents multiple times, for example from drivers coming from a side-street into a T-junction and not looking properly hence not seeing me on a bicycle coming towards them on the main street.

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[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That's a very outdated view of traffic engineering and psychology. People (and animals in general) don't stop doing things in response to punishment unless they have a very high chance of expected punishment, way higher that any society could afford in case of traffic control.

If you want people to stop, you've got to build the infrastructure in a way that makes it psychologically natural to stop. Some paint on an otherwise Amercan road won't do shit. You've got to visually and physically narrow the space for drivers to make it uncomfortable or even damaging for them to pass through at unsafe speed.

That low speed is also slow enough that drivers don't feel like they're losing as much by stopping, making them feel like stopping for pedestrians is a lot more fair.

Look at Dutch traffic engineering standards for pedestrian crossings. They're a car-centric country that puts a lot of effort into getting cars everywhere in a relatively safe way.

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[–] ivanvector@piefed.ca 71 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Many drivers won't stop unless they're forced to by a physical barrier, and some still won't stop. Ever seen those videos from Europe of bus lane bollards that retract when a bus approaches and pop back up again after the bus passes, and the cars wrecked on them? Those are much more solid barriers than these plastic things.

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[–] JizzmasterD@lemmy.ca 53 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

It’s cute but this is from the same province that would rather blame immigrant drivers for road fatalities than the failing, inconsistent infrastructure and terrible driver training.

In Montreal, the drivers are bad enough that turning right on red lights was banned because we couldn’t stop killing pedestrians.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 3 weeks ago

As a headsup, pedestrian deaths at crossings is consistently higher in places where right on red is legal. It's not bad drivers, it's a bad law enabling bad driving.

[–] No_Maines_Land@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Montréal never banned right on red.

No right on red was the default, then most of Canada enabled right on red in the 1970, but Québec did not. Québec later enabled right on red by default in 2003, but Montréal (island) retained no right on red.

And RToR is bad everywhere. We'veknow it for a long time, but have jsut collectivelydecoded the cost was worth it. Here's an article from Victoira in 1981 talking about it https://www.newspapers.com/clip/107821508/times-colonist-victoria-may-5-1981/

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Here in Denmark I can basically just jump in front of a moving car on a crosswalk (one without traffic lights) and if the car so much as touches me they risk losing their driver's licence.

I know The Netherlands is the same like that. Not sure about other EU countries.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 17 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

In Germany I'd say in nearly all occasions cars would stop if I actively walk towards the crosswalk. If I just stand on the side and look and wait its not that uncommon that cars still don't yield even if they should

[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Same in Norway. The moment the walker puts a foot on the crossing they have the right of way.

Remember when at uni a exchange student from Luxembourg and one from Russia was discussing that one big cultural shock for them was how cars stopped at crossings in Norway. I drive quite a lot and its so ingrained in me to watch for walkers and to yield if they want to cross,

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

The French will try to run you over, and the Italians actively speed up when they see a pedestrian.

In the UK you actually do have to stop and people do even Audi drivers stop sometimes.

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 34 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Some places know their drivers and have some serious barriers popping up.

[–] reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I kind want to see what that does to a car that doesn't stop. Probably rips their front wheels off

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[–] JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Imagine if all painted infrastructure did this haha.

Right at the end there it shows a side effect of this installation that by itself is useful in bringing the cars to a reasonable speed when approaching the crosswalk every time, not just when there's a pedestrian: the crossing is raised.

Off the top of my head I can't remember how common raised crossings are in Montréal, but they are effective. This demonstration is quite fun though, I was expecting a bunch of body guards to pop out and create a wall across the roadway and the instant fence caught me off guard.

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[–] OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I was expecting this to be the "carry a brick"-trick.

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[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Except that it will take much more than this to 'motivate' any car brain here to actually stop. Those stopping for pedestrian crossings here are the exception. So much so that some towns "don't know what to do" about it and ask pedestrians to wave orange flags to cross busy streets.

[–] Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
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[–] mech@feddit.org 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Carry a closed umbrella and hold it out in front of you as you approach the crossing.
This triggers the car brain's panic button, since it would scratch their paint if they hit it, which is much, much worse than endangering a human.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I had to calm myself down when I realized how right you were and how fucked up that is.

[–] mech@feddit.org 18 points 3 weeks ago

I'm sorry if this uncalms you again, but I find it hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ0HBd_u-Fs
Really shows that drivers do see you approaching a crosswalk but just decide to ignore you, unless you equalize the power imbalance.

[–] ivanvector@piefed.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago

We have those where I live. Crosswalk compliance is decent here, but these don't get anyone to stop who wasn't going to stop anyway, and they get stolen all the time.

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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

Carry a brick.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In France, these days, you lose your license. Period. I don't know what the results have been though, but I think it's a fairly good approach.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Man I remember when they used to take away peoples licenses in the USA. Good times. It’s like the only way you can get people to recognize that it’s a privilege and not a divine right is by taking it away.

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[–] Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

In NYC you'll get a ticket if you stop for pedestrian crossings. I got a ticket for stoping and letting a pedestrian cross the road.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Only enforcement will help. And consequences.

[–] Steve@communick.news 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

There are plenty of structural changes that can help.
Raised crosswalks are a major one.

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[–] 48954246@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

I prefer the bucket of bricks one over this marketing stunt

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 10 points 3 weeks ago
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