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I know that some American tourists actually do this, on giving servers cash tips as if they're underpaid by their employer (since they're used to it in the USA along with growing up with that mindset) but overlook the fact that servers are paid the minimum wage in the EU, as it's not "typically" the norm. This practice is being exported it seems, in another region where that isn't common.

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[–] regdog@lemmy.world 2 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)

I came here to say exactly that, character for character.

I guess I'll have to say something else, then.

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

I'd rather normalise a paying-the-employees-a-decent-wage culture, at the absolute least.

[–] verdi@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 4 points 3 hours ago
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It shouldn't even be normalized in the US. Tips should be reserved for going above and beyond; not for the bare fucking minimum because their employer pays them less than minimum wage.

No. Tipping is a stupid way to underpay people and have customers foot the bill. Its a hidden food tax. Just pay the workers. Pay people

[–] tangentism@beehaw.org 3 points 3 hours ago

If your business doesn't pay a living wage so requires your staff to rely on tips, your business doesn't have the right to continue existing

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 hours ago

No wtf just pay people

[–] darkmogool@feddit.org 10 points 6 hours ago

oh fucking hell no!

[–] Jay101@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago
[–] Jackhammer_Joe@lemmy.world 25 points 22 hours ago

Hell no!

Who the fuck even asks such a stupid question?

Let the damn businesses pay their employees accordingly to the prices they ask for. No paying you stuff (illegally) low wages and keep all the profits to yourself!

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 7 points 18 hours ago

As long as workers in the respective country are paid and are not entirely dependend on tips: no.

I also don't get paid extra money just for doing my job that I am already being paid for. It is so weird and asymmetric that tips are a thing in gastronomy and hospitality. As if these were the only low-wage jobs that can sometimes suck a lot.

If someone is unhappy about their wage, they need to take it up with their boss or organize in a union. It is not my responsibility to pay them.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 104 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooo

[–] Abrinoxus@lemmy.today 18 points 23 hours ago

Its a virus and needs to be rooted out

[–] ArfArfWoof@europe.pub 117 points 1 day ago
[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 105 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Absolutely not. Some groups are trying to do that shit here in Japan so they can stop paying a proper wage and pass off costs to consumers. It's awful.

~ someone who spent years as a tipped employee

[–] War5oldier@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I've heard from a friend of mine who works in the service industry over there: it's a pain in the ass for businesses due to how taxes work in Japan, as they're required to disclose the tipped money (otherwise it may be tagged as tax evasion) alongside it being divided amongst employees. What makes it worse, is that in most cases they place either Β₯5000 or Β₯10000 bills inside the tip jar.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

Legally this is true in the US. In practice, people claim enough to hit "real" minimum wage and no one usually cares (until that tipped employee needs to prove income for a loan or something and they're screwed)

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 84 points 1 day ago
[–] Specter@feddit.org 9 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

No. It’s either tipping or it’s culture, it can’t be both.

I can’t imagine the stress of living in the US and never knowing how much you’re going to pay, but also feel bad if you don’t tip because you know that waiter or waitress will not get paid enough because of you.

I prefer that people earn a living wage. Nay, a thriving wage.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

No, GTFO with tipping culture, people should be paid a living wage.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 13 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

No. Put it in the price list if you want me to pay for it.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago

Absofuckinglutely not

[–] aloofPenguin@piefed.world 30 points 1 day ago
[–] CallMeAl@piefed.zip 54 points 1 day ago

No, absolutely not

[–] PTM@europe.pub 46 points 1 day ago

No, we have a habit of paying salaries to staff

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 1 day ago
[–] winni@piefed.social 25 points 1 day ago

no.
This is a bad habit and should not bwe imported.
Prices are clearly stated including proper service.
If proper service is not included I go somewhere else

[–] potatodraws@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago
[–] Mosfar@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago
[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You mean should we normalize not paying people for their work and some customer has to chip in? Definitely not. Labour is supposed to be compensated by a wage. A tip is something that comes on top. Voluntarily. It's supposed to be a nice extra for extraordinary service or something like that. Or if you have enough money and the pizza delivery boy doesn't, but he bicycled all the way and also brought the pizza up the stairs 3 levels to your apartment. Of course you'll give them 2€ for that. But at the same time they're supposed to earn some wage that enables them to pay their rent.

Also has to do with taxation. If someone gifts you something, you don't really have to pay taxes on that. If it's a crude form of a salary, you need to pay taxes on it.

[–] tangible@piefed.social 27 points 1 day ago

Absolutely not.

[–] roserose56@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No, if you want to tip, you tip, no one should force you tip. I generally like to tip, but it's up to the person.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 day ago

Tipping is quite normalized, at least in Germany. Just not the american tipping culture that substitutes wages. But it is very normal to round up bills in gastronomy, or add some cash when someone went above and beyond expected service and stuff. Like when I order takeaway and the delivery is made by bike during unpleasant weather conditions (don't order during dangerous weather!).
I personally like it like this as a way to appreciate extra effort. The american tipping culture I feel encourages staff to be kind of unnecessarily subservient and guests to feel superior as the staff's income depends on a guest's mood, basically. It tips over the power balance.

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

In my view tipping is the first step towards corruption. It makes it acceptable to pay a little bit extra to get a benefit.

Fuck that shit. Tipping is a horrible practice that should be illegal IMHO.

[–] gabelstapler@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago

The American tipping madness had already arrived in Europe: A week ago I was in a self service restaurant. The cashier told me to push the Green button of I wanted to give a tip.

What for? I tipped myself for carrying the trays without spilling anything...

[–] AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not unless Europe is somehow also under the illusion that they should reduce restaurant wages to a fraction of the legal minimum.

Tipping in the US is to make up for their atrocious low wages. EU workers don't face the same wage stagnation.

[–] SrMono@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every European country has its own valid culture of tipping. Some consider tipping unfriendly or even hostile.

In Germany you used to gratify a special service or outstanding servers.

Sadly this gets americanized already.

[–] Shadow79@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

How much are servers paid in Germany? Even if they received tips, is it tax free? I've watched a documentary where they discussed a waitress earning 2.13 USD per hour (I was like, WHAT THE FUCK! Are you for real! That's more akin to a slave wage than a living one).

[–] SrMono@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Depends on the business. We’ve got a ridiculous minimum wage of 13,90€ . Most honest restaurant collect the tips and split them, so even the cooking staff receives something.

For employees the tip is tax free. Businesses owner have to pay taxes.

With the most tips being payed via card (10-25% preselectable), I doubt that the staff sees any of it.

[–] Shadow79@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've heard that in some American restaurants, the employer withholds the server's entire tips (aka. owner robbing them of their money just to put in their own pockets) meaning the server gets nothing. That shit is illegal in the EU if one tries to pull that off.

[–] SrMono@feddit.org 0 points 1 day ago

It is illegal but common practice.

Whatever usefulness it might theoretically have, forcing customers to pay employees' salaries has generally been an exploitative disaster in the States, and just one more feature of late-stage capitalism. Sure, it's always possible to find some outlier jobs in which one can indeed make good coin from a tip system, but the point is that such cases are the outliers.

I support the Americans giving their money to the waiters and whatnot, I'd even encourage them to give their money to everyone they come across here.

I do not support normalizing tipping and cutting the pay of people.