Having worked in IT for 17 years. I don't trust any MFer that uses their IT experience as a reason to do something.
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I will trust people using their IT experience as a reason to avoid something, though
Not all of us will do it to the same degree though. IT security has always been a sliding scale between security and convenience. The most secure data is stored in a locked safe without being turned on or connected to anything. That's not very practical, so we make concessions based on how often we need such data and other convenience metrics.
I'm not as paranoid as the OP, though I agree with some of the stuff said. Reasonable security measures are fine; you don't need to look like a digital version of a prepper with a bunker, for most people.
Edit: for instance I don't use my TV all that much, but it is a "smart" TV, meaning it has apps that connect to Internet, and I have some online libraries.
It seems like half of the people claiming they work in this field actually struggle more than the average person
As a general rule, if you buy "smart" anything where it requires an internet connection and a cloud service to function it will be bitrotten within 5 years and dead within 10. And that's assuming the company survives so long and is bothered to support it. That's from planned obsolescence and the ongoing cost of supporting the platform when they have something new to sell. And while things can benefit from an internet connection, if its white goods then run a mile.
I think forward thinking companies could actually gain a lot of free publicity and sales if they openly pledged that their software was in escrow and would automatically release after a period of time and/or as a failsafe if the company discontinued the product and/or they went bust.
it will be bitrotten within 5 years and dead with 10
Worse, it could get bought out and converted to a Meta, Google, or Amazon product.
It should be required that companies either maintain their services perpetual or release the software with a permissive license to allow users to maintain their own service.
You left your WRT open?
I jest but you should be using OPNsense, OpenWRT is so old and OPNsense has many more features.
swap out those mechanicals windows for mechanical linux and then we'll talk
I use Arch BTW.
Like just huge arches instead of windows or even doors, Arch is all you need.
Mechanical Windows
As opposed to what, wireless windows?
Microsoft Windows
Electric windows exist. I guess these days they can also be controlled wirelessly.
Following computer security stuff makes every smart thing suspicious
none of the "smart" devices are actually smart. in my experience they're really fucking dumb
i once bought a "smart" electric kettle because i thought it'd be nice to boil my water to exact temperatures for my teas. it had a little button on a little screen to turn it on
and of course the screen stopped working, and that was the singular thing that broke. if the kettle had a physical switch i'd have only lost the ability to boil to exact temperatures instead of becoming fully useless
a similar thing happened with my Quest VR. a singular smart thing broke (the proximity sensor) and it bricked the whole thing (the proximity sensor deteced, well, proximity, and input from that decided if the screen inside was turned on. when it broke, the screen never turned on. the proximity sensor could be disabled - but only from within the settings menu that required the screen to be on in the first place. there was no other way to disable it, and that setting reset every full shut down)
never had that happen with my non smart devices, never had a non-critical feature failing bricked my "dumb" machine. oh the proper graphics card melted in my laptop? whatever i just disabled it, it might not perform as it used to but it's still functional and perfect for just browsing the internet or watching youtube
my dumb printer never just stopped for no reason, my dumb kettle with a physical toggle has been working perfectly for 3 years now, my dumb light bulbs only stop working when they've reached the end of their ability to make light, my dumb devices never refuse to work even when what they can do isn't perfect anymore
i was already annoyed by so many devices being labelled as "smart" when they're not, and now they're also adding "AI" to those things... i hate it here
As they should be.
"no smart home crap" Yeah... That's just a choice. I have two homegrown smarthome solutions that are amazing and complex without creating security holes.
You can tell it’s an IT guy’s home assistant if there’s no hardware that requires someone else’s cloud.
My home automation philosophy is that everything in the house should work with or without internet. It’s going well so far.
And an electronics guy's smart home if there is no wireless at all and all KNX and Ethernet wired lol.
Boom. Exactly. Self hosted solutions are amazing. We have choices about this stuff.
Home Assistant and local, cloud-free protocols and devices are great
Homeassistant is cool though. Also most of my stuff would work without it, they just works better with it.
The more you understand tech, the more you trust the simplest version of it 😅
I used to work the IT help desk as well and I didn’t want to fix broken shit in my spare time either. Friends and family were constantly on me to fix their shit or worse, help them setup their new thing / upgrade or whatever. The thing that always irritated me about it was that no one ever considered this a favor, you know, actual labor. To them, I just knew the secrets, and should simply share those secrets with them like a good friend. Because whatever they wanted to do, in their minds, was very very bad easy, they were just missing some small secret answer that would make it all suddenly work. And of course they’d only consult me late in the game after they’d made the purchase or whatever and gotten stuck because it didn’t work. Eventually I had to formally declare that I wouldn’t be helping anyone anymore.
My trick with family is I tell them "Well, I can do it, try harder." It's my little way to show them how much I appreciate how often they told me I was mentally handicapped growing up.
I just started writing up invoices for my side hustle and quoting prices to fix their shit.
I do that for a day job, so I have no interest in working more for free. Putting a price tag on the help definitely helped cut down how much bullshit they tried to get me to do
Tell them "Only if you help me" and make them sit and watch and learn. If they stop watching/helping, so do you. They will then learn how time consuming it can be and it's not just one magic secret.
In Spanish, we have a saying: "En casa de herrero, cuchara de palo".
A rough translation would be "in the blacksmith's house you'll find wood spoons". It's not a new thing, it's been like that since ancient times.
Is that the same thing? The impression I get is that OPs post is about the IT worker actively distrusting smart tech. While I assume your example is more that the blacksmith doesn't bother with making metal spoons for himself and using what ever he had already, which would be more comparable to a network engineer still using the ISPs shitty router.
We use it when, for any reason, a person who could easily use something related to their field, doesn't use it. What it means is that if someone who could be using something because they know how it works, isn't using it, there must be a reason.
I agree when it comes to most "smart" home devices. However, I wired an ESP32 to my heat pump for remote control and automation, which has been absolutely fantastic. Also, I use a ton of ZigBee and zwave, since those are not "smart" by themselves and are local-only.
It's the cloud bullshit that always breaks and spies on users that I hate.
Yeah home built and programmed smart devices are the way to go. I'm addicted to the rush of making dumb appliances automated.
The smartphone controlled aircon for $150 extra? Slap a $4 Esp in that. $400 to get sleek control of your central heating? $4 Esp. Turn on the ice maker on the commute home? You guessed it, $4 Esp.
I just don't understand the desire to control everything in your house with an app. It's not like that app can load or unload the dishwasher or clothes dryer. That would be automation I could really get behind. And thermostats are programmable and then left to themselves. Even ice makers are automatically controlled with a microswitch.
And yes, I did try the internet enabled thermostat thing and found I never used the app. Nor is the journey to the thermostat so arduous that I can't get up and walk over to it if I should ever feel the need. Maybe I'm just too old to get it.
But if you like it and want it then have at it. I certainly won't stop you from enjoying it.
If you don't understand the desire then you don't have a use case. And that's ok. But that doesn't mean other people don't have a use case.
Properly set up home automation can reduce your energy usage. Track temperature throughout your house and open blinds, only direct heat/cooling to rooms that need it, etc. Sure a thermostat is programmable but it's limited by the ability to just turn on/off heat and a few temperature sensors. You can drastically expand what your thermostat can do (ie motorized blinds) and information it has access to (temperature outside, current weather, etc).
Or maybe someone is the type to have panic attacks about forgetting to turn the oven off. Having the ability to see oven status on the go is nice.
Or maybe someone has a larger house than you and the journey to the thermostat is more arduous than yours. Or the journey to the dishwasher or clothes dryer to see if it's done is arduous.
Or maybe someone has a disability and having quick access to various things is a huge time saver.
Maybe someone has a sensory issue and loud buzzing from a dryer finishing is problematic, so they want to disable the "finished" alert from the device and just receive a notification on their phone.
but if youre gathering that much data and making decisions with it, then from the OP "no internet connected thermostats" is a must. None of your smart home stuff should be able to phone home. Basically the openWRT argument but also for smart home. Use zigbee or zwave so devices can't just directly phone home and must simply connect through a hub (that you should control).
tl;dr - plenty of reasons to want these things, they just may not apply to you.
The fact these companies can release a $200 router or a $1000 smartphone and completely stop all security updates after only a few years is insane.
This is me, nothing in my house needs automation for any reason. There is especially no need for internet connectivity. The closest to automation I have ever had is the timers that turn the lights on or off on my fishtanks.
I hacked this guy's fish tanks, I reprogrammed the lights and I'm currently training his fish through EMDR to memorize all his passwords. In about six months time I'll break into his house, interrogate his fish and clean out all his bank accounts.
Home Assistant is a free and open source alternative for home automation. Don't have to completely give up the future.
