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I started using grocery self-checkouts during COVID, but I've kept using them because there's rarely a line (and I'm a misanthrope). I'd probably go back to using regular human checkouts if I had to dig through all my crap to prove what I bought.

Having said that, I've noticed myself making mistakes. I've accidentally failed to scan an item, and I've accidentally entered incorrect codes for produce. When I notice, I fix them, but I've probably missed a few.

I guess the easiest answer is for grocery chains to reinvest some of those windfall profits and hire more cashiers.

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[–] zouhair@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

AND LET THE CASHIERS FUCKING SIT FOR FUCK SAKE!

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Shift the cashier's work to the customer and then bitch because the customer is bad at that job that they're not trained for?

How could they be bigger assholes? Get fucked, corporate assholes!

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Peach!

Edit: that was supposed to say "preach" but autocorrect ducked me. Leaving the way it is because that's better.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Ha! Not that I steal, but I don't care about supermarkets losing money from people stealing.

If they want their customers to know how to use the self-checkout machines better, they ought to pay them for training.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

Always making a big deal out of theft for pennies or dollars from individual customers .... but seldom highlighting the theft of thousands and millions by corporate heads at the top

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Ya anyone with an ounce of brain cells predicted that theft would be an issue with self-checkputs but stores were blindsided by the savings they saw with getting rid of cashiers.

[–] Afrazzle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Also sometimes the machines a super finicky. It hasn't happened very recently for me, but the amount of times you need an employee to reset the machine or enter a code is too damn high.

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[–] TemporaryBoyfriend@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I never use the self-checkouts. That's bullshit. I don't work there.

I don't blame anyone that takes advantage of the system that corporations are building.

[–] Killer57@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I will happily use self checkouts if it gets me out of the store faster/ lets me interact with the least amount of people possible. I work retail, I need that energy for my job.

[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

I feel the same way, but sometimes I show up and the lines for actual cashiers is so long and there's no one at self checkout. I can wait for ten minutes or I can scan my twizzlers and gtfo.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Corporations want it both ways ...

... docile workers that will work for little or no pay, which make them poor and more apt to want to steal in order to get cheap food

... honest customers that won't steal, even if they become desperate because corporations refused to pay them a living wage to afford food

Economically speaking ... it's a no brainer ... pay people a living wage and pay for more cashiers to work at the front .. the company makes more money by securing purchases and keeping everyone honest and you maintain a workforce of highly paid people who go to spend their money with your stores anyway

Instead, we want to maintain a system where money and wealth continually keep getting shoved to ever smaller groups of people and we wonder why those of us at the bottom keep trying steal and rob the system just to get by.

'If you give a man gun he can rob a bank; if you give man a bank he can rob the world.'

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[–] throwsbooks@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I was at Walmart the other day and there were four employees standing around the self checkout. They all said bye to me when I left. Weird shit.

At that point, why not just have them work the tills??

[–] TA202301@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

I was waiting to self checkout at a Walmart where there are 4 of around a dozen self-checkouts working. I asked about the ones that were not working and the employee told me that they can only open 4 units for every employee present. In order to have all 12 open they need 3 people there.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Because cashiers are a different cost-centre, and thusly a different budget on the company's financial statements. The VP or senior director that controls the cashiers' services would end up looking bad if they had to retrench on that decision, and "looking bad" is death at that level.

A lot of what happens inside a company makes more sense when you realize it's a power struggle between a bunch of narcissists and their lackeys, and that VPs and CEOs aren't really as powerful as you'd think. Companies can be as inefficient and cut-your-nose-off-to-spite-your-face as any non-profit or public sector employer is, but we often don't see it because we've been trained to assume that "private sector == well-oiled machine" and "public sector == clusterfuck".

[–] CrimsonFlash@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unless there's a barrier to entry (like a membership at Costco), they can't force you to show your receipt or check your items.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're kinda wrong.

Even Costco can't "force" you. What they can do is ban you, which any store can do. It's harder to enforce without someone at the door checking, but totally possible.

[–] Indie@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's actually in the membership agreement. If you refuse to show, they can ban you. However, the fact you would have a Costco membership indicates that you signed an agreement that allows them to have you show the receipt.

In my experiences, it has always been something flagged by the receipt checker at Costco confirming that I got something I paid for and had to collect for the secure area, or provided to me at check out like movie tickets.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, but what I'm saying is that any store can ban you for any reason (that isn't legally protected)

So it has nothing to do with Costco specifically

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

It's all good. The moment they demand my papers we go talk about it at the return counter anyway. They can double-secret-ban me if it'll make them happy, but they can't fire me as a customer if I've already quit.

[–] MrSebSin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Theft is one thing and who knows what the numbers actually are for self checkout. Even with theft and us making a mistake or two, they don't have to pay cashiers, I'm sure they're coming out wayyyyy ahead.

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[–] BloodForTheBloodGod@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It does make it much easier to steal, it's very convenient.

[–] Gatsby@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

The design is very human

[–] fax_of_the_shadow@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I prefer self-checkout because cashiers don't know shit about bagging groceries in a reasonable manner. I don't like dealing with people and I like my groceries bagged to my specifications. Self-checkout is a godsend.

That said...

I have made mistakes. I've accidently stolen from WalMart. I've been an employee of WalMart; I am not crying over this. WalMart is a shit employer and they have a ton of self-check so they can continue to refuse full time jobs to cashiers so they don't have to pay benefits. Fuck them.

[–] jadero@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

I never have a problem bagging my own groceries at the cashier. It's the best of both worlds: highly skilled checkout operator and a fairly skilled bagger.

I think the dedicated baggers they used to have were better at it than I am, though. They somehow managed to Tetris everything into appropriate bags that were of similar weight and were almost as stable as using a box.

I think the throughput of a cashier and a skilled bagger is much better than a bagging cashier and definitely better than self-checkouts.

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

"I'm not stealing, I'm just poorly trained at this job you're now expecting me to do without compensation."

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

At my grocery store, they added in a ton of self checkout, but they didn't give you enough room to bag your groceries. So you have a cart of food, but a mini-shelf to store them on. And yes, they are no limit. They typically now only have two manned lanes open during peak shopping times. I'm sure some theft is part of it, I'm also convinced most of the "theft" is from the stupid setup and the scales on the mini-shelves. Only place I stop for a receipt check is at membership places like Costco. Everywhere else is a firm, "No thank you," and I keep walking. Go ahead, call the cops. I have a receipt.

[–] norbert@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah I just walk by and say "no thanks!"

Our interaction is done once I pay for my items. Don't like it? Call the cops I guess I'm done dealing with the store for the day. Don't trust me? Hire a cashier, not really my problem.

I'm still pissed all these self-checkouts haven't lowered any prices. Seems like if you got rid of 30 cashiers the price of my bread should've gone down a little.

[–] Thepinyaroma@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep, Costco is fine we all knew the deal when we signed up. But the Walmart greeter stopping me? No way.

You wanna see if I'm stealing? Check the damn cameras.

[–] tarsn@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Costco also has actual cashiers working, and an extra person to bag your groceries on top of that typically. And they pay better than the typical grocery store.

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