Chicago Bears

Player morale is a big one. That stage of decompressing frustrations would be better to have occur now then later imo.

The Jaguars with Pederson

Without 1 Specific person lined up right this second. In this teams current structure no it doesn't unfortunately make sense to fire. Due to lack of people to step up into OC, DC and HC spot. One of those have to wait for Black Monday. Because you would need to fire Eberflus and Getsy at the same time.

The one person I am referring to is Jim Harbaugh. Even that has complexities because gotta buy out his contract and pass through Michigan to essentially release him and Big 10 the same.

It’s not going to happen mid-season. Eberflus is now the DC too with no one else with play calling experience on his staff. There’s also not really anyone with head coaching experience either but if they did it would probably have to be Getsy or Hightower and that doesn’t sound any better than Flus. This season is what it is now.

I know the Panthers fired Rhule and I believe some other guys and Panthers made a good run.

More often than not, firing coaches will definitely improve a team, but nothing crazy as the team is still bad. But, reversing probable losses with wins, is pretty difficult, so, even just an extra 2 wins is still a big feat

No. The only ones screaming to not let flus lose out the season are just emotional midgets who get so wrapped up in a team that doesn’t give a shit about them

The Raiders 2021. They weren’t great at the start, Gruden resigned and then ST coach Rich Bisaccia became interim HC and led them to a 7-5 record making the playoffs. So yes there has been success.

Thats be like firing Flus and Getsy after Broncos game and the 15th straight loss. Should have done it then and let the ST coach take over.

Not really. The only advantage would be if they wanted to start interviewing coaches internally (Bears don't have a candidate), coaches who aren't employed, or are in college. Even if you wanted to do those things it doesn't make much sense until season is over since you have to wait so long to talk to playoff team coaches. Outside of that it's just to give fans some instant gratification.

Browns went 5-3 after getting rid of Hue Jackson who was 3-36-1. Didn't do much for the Browns long term though. I don't think getting rid of Flus now does much, and expect that he's likely gone right after the season if the Bears are moving on from him.

It's part of having a culture that doesn't accept mediocrity and losing games that your team has the ability to win over and over.

The only long-term benefit to mid-season coach firing is if you know who you want to replace them with AND can hire them mid-season to get a head start on installing their new system. It’s rare you can hire a quality replacement mid-season, usually it’s interim/temporary.

Firing coaches and replacing with interim coaches could either boost wins that season or lead to more losses. But that’s for one season. If it’s bad enough that you want to fire a coach, don’t you want to max draft capital by losing remaining games vs possibly winning meaningless games with players a new coach may get rid of later anyway?

Keep in mind every new coach will say they need at least 1-2 years to install their system and bring in players who work in their system. So replacing a coach is accepting it may be 2 years before things start “working”.

I don’t think they should be fired mid season because I think we will make a run to the playoffs I want them fired midseason because they are terrible at their job and if I was as bad my my job as they were I wouldn’t get another 2 months.

I was wondering the same thing. And where would we get the replacement when all the good candidates are busy coaching or coordinating right now? Is there a currently unemployed great former coach looking to get back into it?

I don’t know if it will help net more wins this season but it sure as hell will help make fans less angry when we watch the remaining games, which is a win in my book.

The bigger thing is showing the players you care.

Flus is going out every week and NEVER taking any blame or accountability. Keeping him around is a way to lose players, effects resigning or new signings, morale, etc.

Teams tend to win an extra half game after firing their head coach, especially early on.

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However it's difficult to compare any of them to our situation. Normally the DC and OC kind of step up and take over their side of the field, and the let the HC just do HC stuff.

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Bears already lost their DC and the HC is effectively the DC.

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So let's say we fire Flus and Getsy. Now we have a positional coach or outsider as our HC, OC, and DC. As far as I know, that's never happened.

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Let's just say we fire Flus, the team will have been through 3 DC changes in a single season.

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On top of that, we decided to go with a really young coaching staff to back up our first time HC, OC and DC. It's great to have alot of young fresh tallent you can shape, but now that we;re in a situation like this, you don't have much experience to lean on. How do you fire your coaching staff and trust things are going to fall apart further?

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And to anyone who says it can't get worse, it can always get a whole lot worse. We not only have to worry about this season, but this offseason where we have to convince free agents we were just a QB and coach away.

With games like the Lions, where we barely lost, we can do that. If we lost by 20 points, maybe not.

Funny enough, the panthers did better when they went to wilks, and then decided to hire Reich

There have been some as others have listed. The reason I want it to happen is more to signify that this organization has changed and won't tolerate losing anymore. It's about sending a message to the fans, to the players, to future coaches, that this organization demands excellent and won't tolerate failure. They can scout Ben Johnson and other candidates. Watch him live in the game. They can comb through the college ranks and watch those coaches. They can see if there are any coaches worth trying to keep around. They can see how the players respond to different coaching. There may not be a direct correlation to future success by firing the head coach mid-season, but there is no downside.

There is some merit to getting started on the head coaching search sooner rather than later. Whether that be auditioning a coordinator as an intern or having a more public process with those in the org and agents before the season ends.

There is some merit to getting started on the head coaching search sooner rather than later. Whether that be auditioning a coordinator as an intern or having a more public process with those in the org and agents before the season ends.

Player morale is a big one. That stage of decompressing frustrations would be better to have occur now then later imo.

People have already mentioned a few examples below. But really, don't you wanna see how far down the S.H.I.T.S principle rabbit hole we can go? We've already eaten the mushrooms and taken the jump..

People have already mentioned a few examples below. But really, don't you wanna see how far down the S.H.I.T.S principle rabbit hole we can go? We've already eaten the mushrooms and taken the jump..

You typically get a short term boost would he interested to look at long term results following mid aeason firings though

You typically get a short term boost would he interested to look at long term results following mid aeason firings though

It's not about turning the season around. The season is fucked. It's about wiping the slate clean and setting expectations, as well as getting a jump on the open head coaching market. Additionally, why have a walking dead coach in your building, when he knows he has Damocles's sword hanging over his head? Why would you trust that guy with any decisions at all? Look at what happened with Lovie Smith and Houston, for example.

And there has to be a player trust component to this as well. I can't imagine that any of their players are in a good frame of mind with this lameass walking around, in command of the team. You're likely to lose your few good players this way, if you haven't lost them already.

It's not about turning the season around. The season is fucked. It's about wiping the slate clean and setting expectations, as well as getting a jump on the open head coaching market. Additionally, why have a walking dead coach in your building, when he knows he has Damocles's sword hanging over his head? Why would you trust that guy with any decisions at all? Look at what happened with Lovie Smith and Houston, for example.

And there has to be a player trust component to this as well. I can't imagine that any of their players are in a good frame of mind with this lameass walking around, in command of the team. You're likely to lose your few good players this way, if you haven't lost them already.

I think it would mostly be about seeing what can be salvaged for next season.

The 2021 Raiders weren’t really a bottom tier team, but they can be used as an example. Gruden resigned as the teams coach and they were sitting at 6-7 at a point that year.

Keep in mind all the Henry Ruggs stuff also happened that season. They got Rich Bisaccia as their interim and despite all the hardship they faced, they went 10-7 and made the playoffs.

Keeping the topic on the Raiders, they fired Josh McDaniels and with Antonio Pierce they are 2-1, 5-6 as a team. They can very well make the playoffs because the culture in that building has changed.

Firing Eberflus and Getsy likely won’t punch the Bears a playoff ticket right now considering we’re at 3-8, but it can help to get culture all together, which is more important. You don’t win football games with poor culture.

2021 Raiders, Gruden got canned they got decent, 2023 Raiders, McDaniels got canned they are kinda decent. 2022 Panthers Rhule got canned and they almost made the playoffs.

2021 Raiders, Gruden got canned they got decent, 2023 Raiders, McDaniels got canned they are kinda decent. 2022 Panthers Rhule got canned and they almost made the playoffs.

The 2021 Raiders weren’t really a bottom tier team, but they can be used as an example. Gruden resigned as the teams coach and they were sitting at 6-7 at a point that year.

Keep in mind all the Henry Ruggs stuff also happened that season. They got Rich Bisaccia as their interim and despite all the hardship they faced, they went 10-7 and made the playoffs.

Keeping the topic on the Raiders, they fired Josh McDaniels and with Antonio Pierce they are 2-1, 5-6 as a team. They can very well make the playoffs because the culture in that building has changed.

Firing Eberflus and Getsy likely won’t punch the Bears a playoff ticket right now considering we’re at 3-8, but it can help to get culture all together, which is more important. You don’t win football games with poor culture.

Longer they stay more the current roster gets hurt by their incompetence bad coaches breed bad cultures so if you let a loser stay around too longer than you get yourself a team of losers.

I think it would mostly be about seeing what can be salvaged for next season.

Longer they stay more the current roster gets hurt by their incompetence bad coaches breed bad cultures so if you let a loser stay around too longer than you get yourself a team of losers.

There are examples of teams having winning records after letting a coach go, but i dont think you fire a coach midseason to try to save the current season. It is more to see if the issue truly was the coaches or the players. I believe it allows you to have a new way of looking at the roster and evaluating players heading into the offseason that you may not get while keeping a bad coach around.

Here's every team since 2008 that has fired their coach mid-season and I'll let you all be the judge on how many you think made a difference

• 2008: Rams, Raiders, 49ers

• 2009: Bills

• 2010: Cowboys, Vikings, Broncos, 49ers

• 2011: Jaguars, Chiefs (bear in mind that in 2012 they promoted Crennel to full-time HC), Dolphins

• 2012: none

• 2013: Texans

• 2014: Raiders

• 2015: Dolphins, Titans, Eagles

• 2016: Rams, Jaguars, Bills

• 2017: Giants

• 2018: Browns, Packers

• 2019: Washington, Panthers

• 2020: Texans, Falcons, Lions

• 2021: Jaguars (Raiders don't count)

• 2022: Panthers, Colts, Broncos

• 2023: so far just Raiders

Included the last few seasons mostly just for completion (obviously we don't know the long-term effects of all of them yet) but also to highlight how few mid-season firings actually happen. There hasn't been more than 3 since 2010

It helps accelerate my mental health