Young people just don’t understand saving, and how your options expand after saving even just a little bit. Use this post as an example - if you put that $100-130 away every month, in about 6 months you can afford a gun. This gives you a lot more opportunities.
Work Reform
A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.
Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
Our Goals
- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
- Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
- Better and fewer working hours.
- Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
- Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.
I was about to get pissed. Now I’m cheering.
thing is: they know and design things this way. shareholders get profit. workers get instructions on how to get stamps.
What is the definition of "getting ahead", if you don't mind?
There are 30 million jobs making $15 or below. It is mathematically impossible for all or even half to get higher wage jobs.
Federal minimum is still $7.25
Whoever wrote the meme lives in a blue state that increased it, and will never think to care about any of the permanent underclass of flyover morlocks in other states.
60 bucks for a phone a month and you call that "minimum wage poor"? While just using 350 for food? The most important factor in life?
I drown in money and use a 8yr old phone and pay 7 moneyz a month for a generous contract. I would consider a 60 buck monthly budget for a stupid phone outrageously wild.
$60 is the standard price for the highest tier unlimited data plans.
Nevermind that with the ubiquity of WiFi unlimited data isn't really necessary for most people; Most people still just assume they need that.
60 buck monthly phone budget is something that will sound reasonable to the policymakers. "Food budget", however, is completely abstract and negotiable. People who never had to count what they spend on food will argue that everyone can permanently live on the cheapest food items they've ever heard of. Don't forget that according to Fox News, you can eat a whole Thanksgiving dinner for $10. It's dumb, but that's how they think, so you have to meet them there if you want to try and get through to them and make a difference.
Lots of places, minimum wage won't even take you that far. Big city or nearby suburb? Forget it.
It's isn't and that's the point. They keep you down so you can't so anything about whats happening.
That's why they hated covid lockdown because people had more time to do what they wanted and they realised that's what life is supposed to be
It's not supposed to be sustainable. If you have ANY slack whatsoever you gain leverage against the oligarch class.
It's sustainable because they tolerate it. They just do the horse bit from Animal Farm
Fight for 15 started back in, what, 2006?
By the time most places had $15, it should’ve been $25
There was this commercial in the 90's, I think it was burger king. About a young guy doing his budget, it included $19/mo for gas, and it came out to "a dollar a day for lunch? More than enough!" For a 99 cent cheeseburger. That budget was laughable at the time but it's insane today.
It is more than sustainable. For those who profit off this.
In my area right now you cannot rent an apartment unless you show proof you have income 3x rent. So that 1200 apartment wouldn't be possible because they make less than 3600
Where I live (not usa) minimum wage is practically $21.40
Even if they had an extra $500 per month somehow, it's not enough to just survive. For one thing, if you're human, you need to at least entertain the possibility of vacations.
Why can't we expect people to survive AND to have a decent quality of life?
For one thing, if you’re human, you need to at least entertain the possibility of vacations.
American media: COMMUNISSSSSSSSST!!!!! AHHHHH!!! UNREASONABLE LAZY MILLENNIAL!!! HANDOUTS!!!
And we need to be clear that “vacations” does not mean travelling. People will do basic tourist crap in Italy and call themselves worldly, whatever. But people do need money to just exist in their own space without working for a week(longer, obviously). People can’t even be tourists in their own cities and towns.
Are these prices from 1999? Where in the US can you get anywhere close to these rates? Certainly not near any major city.
Great Lakes rust belt. Okay well maybe rent is actually $2200 and utilities are $450, but the others aren't too far off if you put in the work to find deals. So maybe those figures were circa 2009. That only leaves you what, $1k in debt each month with zero spending money? Not so bad for one of the most affordable major urbanized regions, right? /s
I'm in a major city with lots of tech companies and getting unaffordable every year. Having said that, utilities, phone, and internet are doable, BUT with caveats:
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You can still find a $1200 1-BR apartment, but it might not be in a great area in the city. So I agree this is not ideal even though it's possible.
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You can spend less than $100 on electricity and water in a 1-bedroom apartment because the utility provider is regulated. Once you get out of their coverage (outside city limits), it gets expensive pretty quick. My monthly bill back when I was living in an apartment was around $60-$70.
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Fiber internet (500 Mbps) can be as low as $30-$45. You just have to keep calling every renewal either to ask for a promo rate, or threaten to switch so they offer to get you back to the introductory price. I hate that it has to be like this, but it's possible.
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A pre-paid carrier like Mint or US Mobile can cost as low as $15 a month, but you'll have limited data. If you don't really need much internet while out and about, then it won't really be much of an issue.
Transportation is definitely the problem, and $300 a month won't cut it. Public transpo barely exists and you'll likely have a car payment and insurance, which will eat up your monthly budget. And yeah, $350 for food isn't enough anymore.
Hampton Roads, VA. I'm in Newport News. $1375 for a two bedroom apartment, although water/sewer is nearly $200/mo and electric is around that as well. We're barely scraping by.
I live in a suburb of a large city. These might be higher since it's me, gf, and kid. Rent with all included fees: 1850
Utilities(basically just electric): 200-400 per month depending on weather
Phone : 40 per month(had to buy phone out of pocket first)
Food: 400-600 recently with only groceries no eating out
Transportation(gas for car): 100 minimum
Car insurance: 275 (no tickets, 1 accident 4 years ago but I was found 0% at fault)
Car payment: 350 (paid off next month)
Total(check my math I did it in my head) 3250 per month for essentials
This isn't in any way a defence of low wages, but phone, internet, and food can all be had for cheaper depending on location, and if public transportation or close walking proximity to resources and employment are available, that can be significantly less too.
That still leaves too little extra to do any activities that cost money, survive an emergency situation, or save for retirement.
I live in a decent sized city in the US and I would say the only thing low might be transportation. Rent here can be lower, so they would offset.
Rent bots have added another $100-$130 to their listing prices.
They're as naive as someone just putting together that minimum wage en masse isn't sustainable when it's a punishing poverty wage. Its a shanty wage...if that.
And just think, iirc 19 States still utilize federal minimum wage... So, less than half of $15/hr.
Answer: it's not sustainable
The crazy part: its propped up by the ultra wealthy in a country with more guns than people. When this shit does hit the fan, the violence will be on another level.
Minimum wage is $7.25...
And it should be $30/hr
It should be tied to some multiple of the zip codes median rent.
It was never sustainable, it was a hack to keep people from demanding unions. There's plenty of countries with no minimum wage and well paid workers. It takes strong unions and labor protection laws, which is why the fascists will fight it to the death.
When minimum wage was instituted in the United States, it was intended as a living wage.
That has been eroded with time, though.
It was never implemented in the first place. What was intended never happened. Probably for the best honestly. Minimum wage is a poor way to accomplish a living wage, the only advantage it has, is political expediency.
I just did the math and I don't get even $15/hr.
Glad that my transportation cost is under $25 and rent is 6x less than that value.
Oh, and food costs are 1/3 of that, as long as I cook myself.
But yeah, getting anything imported, would hurt the bank balance.
When I was living in Seattle I figured about $100k would be a reasonable minimum there. That's just enough to not constantly stress about money, do things like going to the doctor and dentist, you can have some joys in life, and save towards long term goals. It can't get you anything fancy you still need to live modestly but you can actually live not just survive
$15/hr min wage
[laughs in Pennsylvanian]
[weeps in Pennsylvanian]
I think the calls leaving 100 per month are generous