violent/aggressive discourse? i thought sticks and stones could break your bones but words could never harm you
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We talked about overturning the tables of the moneychangers in the marketplace of ideas, which is of course extremism.
here's the newest one: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/369649460_Frames_of_Misinformation_Extremism_and_Conspiracism_January_2023
figure 7 looks a lot different now lmao :hexbear-shining:
Just two relevant points:
1- They crawled another 2.5k posts since last time.
2- The recent topics stayed the same except Sex crimes was replaced with Socialism + FBI. I'm not even joking its chart 15. Real smooth Richard you fuck, you are fooling nobody rofl.
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This month’s report is run without data from Reddit because of the migration of the Pushshift API. Reddit accounts for nearly half of the material used in this report. Its exclusion adversely impacts the tracking of Conspiracy/Fringe and Extreme-Left forums
What left wing forums are there on Reddit now?
that is so funny, like imagine having to explain this site on a academic setting just because you want to be fair and balanced centrist and say oh but the left wing extremists, like look at your definitions man:
Extremism: Political beliefs and strategies that fall outside the spectrum of normal politics (Anti-Defamation League, 2017).
•Extreme Right includes antisemitic and Christian Identity forums, neo-Nazis, Proud Boys, secessionists, and White pride groups.
•Extreme Left includes anarchist and socialist forums.
anyway if you came over here after a richard lecture, could you ask him for to do an Q&A here i would absolutelly love to learn what is actually the thesis he is doing as this seems to be only aggregated data which he would use on a follow up, also i would like to talk about the numbers on reddit, which we were expelled from, and if the right wing super group got more space there after we got kicked , RICHARD HIT US UP DUDE LET'S TALK
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I think we should invite Mr. Richard Lee Rogers from the Youngstown State University Dept. of Criminal Justice & Consumer Sciences to go on Hexbear and do some kind of reverse AMA. He seems like he really needs some political education.
Research like this is so dumb, it is simply impossible to find information from qualitative data by using keywords, but I guess polisci majors need to do something with their degree.
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Look ma, I’m on TV!
We did it!
I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date.
love a research paper with no explanation about methodology.
I hate to think how this dude managed to graduate
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Is this our researchgate-gate :puzzled:
LMAO No way
The sharp rise in Violent/Aggressive Discourse in the Extreme Left is an artifact of the inclusion of Hexbear.net.
I'd like to congratulate myself for being one of the more violent/aggressive discoursers on this site as I believe that every capitalist should be fucked in the ass with a jackhammer.
i would up that to fucking every capitalist in the ass with a pole driver. l;et's get those numbers up! death to the rich!
"Statistically 0.0%, better include it" despite most of those kinds of posts getting deleted by mods or done by fedposting wreckers
Edit: like fuck it, include all the shit that gets deleted by twitter or facebook automods and you'd see a deluge of misanthropy that would wash away your hope in humanity
Improving society somewhat is violence and aggression :liberalism:
We shouldn't settle for "somewhat". We want all of the power for the working class, it's complete emancipation, not just "some" of the power.
Let's be extreme. We want it all. For a new, kinder and more equal world. Whatever it takes
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let's get those numbers even higher, folks :fedposting:
Methodological Notes: Activity levels are defined as the % of posts with at least one key word, phrase, or stem identified with particular themes. Because the study of language and ideology is a key aspect of the larger project, results are limited exclusively to posts with at least 50 words. The complete list of current platforms from which forums were selected can be found toward the end of this document. A user’s manual and program code can be found at https://www.rogersperspectives.com. Any corrections for errors will appear in next month’s report.
I’ve been looking through the resources on his site but can’t find the list of keywords he uses for this site. Anyone more familiar with computational statistics wanna give it a go?
It's probably some incredibly dumb shit like looking for things like "die, dies, dying, kill, kills, killed," which would also explain why antivaxxers are so very elevated if it's reading shit like "fluoridated water KILLS!" and marking that as "violent" when it's just unhinged boomer brain shit.
That would also mean that a comment like "kicking people out of their homes is an act of violence, it is attempted murder and it kills and immiserates people," would read as more violent (because keywords) than someone explicitly calling for minorities to be genocided in short or even slightly obfuscated language. Discussing violence that has happened probably scans exactly the same as direct calls for violence.
Hell, this dispassionate explanation of their reasoning will probably have the algorithm in full :wojak-nooo: : :agony-shivering: :doomjak: mode because of all the keywords.
Chiming in as a silly little grad student applying natural language processing in my research... :
It’s probably some incredibly dumb shit like looking for things like “die, dies, dying, kill, kills, killed,”
Yup. The author references the Linguistic Inquiry Word Count (LIWC) program, which pretty much does exactly that. It's got hundreds of different "linguistic categories" that you can very easily and quickly scan for. Each linguistic category, or "dictionary", is a list of words that are said to reflect a different topic, idea, feeling, etc., and the program will tell you how many words in each text fit into different categories.
If you scroll down to Table 2 on Page 12 of this document, you can see some of their categories and a few example words for each one. You can also make your own "dictionaries", which I think this dude also did. They have a demo on the LIWC website that you can cry, and you will almost immediately see how limited this process actually is.
In research on natural language, like studies that scrape and analyze posts online, it's a hugely popular method for doing the laziest and easiest topic modelling or semantic analysis possible (i.e., looking for themes or concepts that people or talking about, or how they are expressing emotions in text). Like you point out, it's totally devoid of context, so it's validity doesn't extend much beyond "they are using XYZ words this often".
:biden-the-thing: Hmm, the leftists are talking about violence. Could they be discussing everyday violence directly or indirectly effected by the state? :biden-rember: No, it's the leftists who are violent!
I hadn't considered that we're "violent" partly because we talk about state and institutional violence a lot and that makes this even funnier.
It's like the liberal hand wringing of "talking about racism keeps racism alive" but computerized :policing-brain:
that you can cry
keep this typo because the methodological and philosophical faults in this study make me want to cry
LOL
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Yeah, unless they explicitly look for fascist language, a fascist saying "day of the rope now" doesn't show up as violence on whatever algorithm they use
They do appear to have fascist dogwhistles on the list
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Extreme leftism requires self-defence against the bourgeoisie. I'd like to know what these supposed other extreme left spaces are that are like "let's keep asking very kindly for factory owners to give over their factories even while we get ground into dust"
Wow we're famous now