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The world doesn't need to go to war, it needs to stop being afraid of a major economic downturn.
Stop everything with the US: trade, travel, everything. Deport all Americans back to their native soil. Isolate them, and see how quickly things change.
While we're at it, do the same with Russia and Israel. And maybe China?
Would it cause a global economic crisis? Probably. But people are already dying—it's worth it if we can actually end a genocide and a couple wars.
So much this. Just 100% stop all trade with the United States. All of it. And zero travel. Then ban US travel to your country. Give them the isolation they crave.
No, definitely impose sanctions and stop trade, but don't ban travel. Let the brain drain do its thing.
Some of us do not consent to the actions of this rogue administration, and we don't crave isolation. Some of us desperately want a way out of this country.
While most of US manufacturing is indeed not so useful anywhere, there are things you can not stop importing.
Software and computer parts are a good example.
Moreover, what's the problem with Americans travelling to your country?
Software can be made literally anywhere, and computer parts are made in China and other SE Asian countries anyway.
That is not the current situation.
The comment above did not say let's focus the next 10 years to build a software stack that does not depend on US software. It said let's immediately stop importing stuff from the US. That is not something you can in a moment substitute without massive disruption.
Computer parts are made in China and Taiwan mostly, sure. But: AMD is American, intel is American, Nvidia is American. Go build a computer without using parts coming from one of these companies.
The comment said nothing about the ban having to be this instant. They said to stop all trade. That could just as well mean, take the necessary steps to stop all trade as feasibly fast as possible. How long do you think it would take for China to be able to export computer hardware directly to the EU if the EU said tomorrow "As soon as you can supply hardware, we will stop all trade with USA"? China is the champion of accelerated manufacturing, they'd be supplying us in a couple of months.
There already is open source software solution for by FAR most software that is used. Most companies don't actually need proprietary software from USA, they can switch very quickly, especially if they get a deadline in a month to switch everything away from Linux, 'cause then the profits are on the line.
Do you know European funds can not be used to hire Iranians because the US demanded so? I know it because I was hiring an Iranian person until I figured I could not.
Open source software does not cover most needs, and server capacity is mostly in the US. I doubt you can switch away in one month from us software, do you have open source software for safe information storage and retrieval of patient data in hospitals that complies with the regulations of all 27 states of the EU? While China can produce things, they do not have strong chip designers. If they were to produce good enough chips I guess they'd keep them for internal use for quite a while.
Don't deport americans. Some of us want to escape.
I haven't lived there in a decade and only maintain citizenship to have access to my parents in cases of emergency. Why on earth would you send me back to that hell-hole? All that accomplishes is destroying my family, my business, my wife's ability to live, etc.
I don't agree with them, but I do see the logic. Send back a bunch Americans who saw good reason to leave and perhaps they'll be forced to try to make it more like wherever they fled to.
Or it's just vindictive "Trump deports people so we deport people" idiocy, idk
I don't. What are they going to do? A lot of people I know who live abroad have done so for decades and have no living family in the US. All it would do is introduce a bunch of homeless people to the US and destroy lives. I voted against the current administration and disagree with everything they do. Guess they should just make my wife homeless, get my house repossessed, destroy my career, and probably just end with me killing myself because of where I was born. Must be big fans of ICEs work, I guess.
In this hypothetical scenario, maybe you could just renounce your citizenship (and stop paying taxes to the US).
In all cases, retaliation against a fascist regime will destroy lives, but it's generally the better option. I mean people suggest to stop trading with the US or crash their economy, this is not victimless either.
I plan to renounce but I need to be able to help my parents if they need it. Family comes first here. I do not have to pay taxes, just file them; especially with the weak Japanese yen, I don't make enough to need to pay anything.
Honestly at this point, I rather see Americans suffer. It would humble them. My country was attacked by US & a lot my fellow citizens committed suicide due to the massive blow from tariffs.
I was too considering it.
Don't blame the Innocents for the actions of the guilty
The innocents are easier targets, though. When the shit hits the fan, it's always the easiest targets that get attacked.
Who's taxpayers & whose votes ?? The OTHER side wanted a genocide too. A lot of Kamala Harris voters would have been happy with the genocide.
That's exactly what the people being deported from the US are feeling.
The fuck does that have to do with an emigrant that hasn’t lived here in 10 years?
Indeed. It's terrible and it's also the reason we don't visit family in the US (my wife is not a US citizen and barely speaks English). I do not support it, I voted against the current administration, and I have removed as many US companies as possible from my life.
From an EU perspective that sounds like isolationism, I mean the USA, China, Russia, ... would basically be forced to trade more between them.
It could work if selective, but we'd need the rest of the world on our side first or it'd just backfire.