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Sorry to post the Poll Pot acount again lol

Also this

https://nitter.net/pollpottt/status/1741572860601090135

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Yeah, Haz wants to take over CPUSA "by 2036"

Hence, the oft repeated PatSoc slogan "CPUSA 2036."

He's also friends with Jackson Hinkle and Caleb Maupin.

Each one of them has 10s of thousands of followers with Hinkle having over 100,000 on YouTube, I think.

I believe Rainer Shea has also become a PatSoc recently and has been on Maupin's streams.

You can see where them telling their fans to infiltrate and take over the CPUSA would be a problem.

They're trying to commit mass entryism.

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

These goofs have ties to LaRouchite organisations and this stuff is straight outta the LaRouche playbook.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

LaRouche used to harass the CPUSA in the 1980s and also was against the anti-apartheid movement in the USA (regarding South Africa).

At one point, they started throwing churches at a church by a large amount that was anti-apartheid and called for divestment.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I saw LaRouche’s thoughts on mother-daughter relationships and I’m just bern-disgust

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

LaRouche was also a CIA asset or at least an asset of the FBI.

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[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Damn twitter is becoming real.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

No joke.

They're fucking feds, I tell you. Or so I think.

They're using social media accounts to galvanize people to commit mass entryism on various orgs. They apparently did this with the American chapter of the KFAUSA (or, at least, they may have a "PatSoc problem"). I questioned a PatSoc about this who turned out to be an anti-Semite during a Twitter Space and he was... fucking skittish. He wouldn't give a straight answer.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The leading patsocs are absolutely feds.

[–] pooh@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

So when Haz wasn't even a thing yet, I remember seeing a suspiciously polished promo video for INFRARED that immediately set off alarm bells for me. Also strangely, I can't seem to find that promo video anywhere now.

I also remember not long after the channel started seeing a clip of Haz on a girl Twitch streamer's stream and the title was something like "Haz flirting with ____" and the whole thing struck me as overtly trying to appeal to lonely young men on the internet, in a similar vein as gamer gate, red pill garbage, etc. Basically following the Steve Bannon/Mercer Family social media manipulation playbook. I haven't really dug into it, but I'd be curious to see if there are any links with patsocs to people like Steve Bannon or Aleksandr Dugin.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He got recommended on r/chapotraphouse a few times, and because I don't watch streams or go on twitter, I had no idea who he was for like... A while into chapo.chat

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It took us some time to work out the whole thing they were doing was sus to be fair. Initially Haz looked alright until the reactionary stuff piled up and up and up. Some of his early Stalin videos were genuinely good. Several of us, including myself, thought he was a good entry into the lineup of marxist creators at the time, Bay Area 415 was also suspiciously doxxed and taken out of commission at the time, there was a concerted influence and counter-influence op that was mounted against growing marxist influence at the time. That shitbag Beau of the Fifth too exploded during that period. And funny-clown-hammer growth was explosive too but we countered him relatively well.

Haz and the patsoc crowd started getting attention for being reactionary and double and tripled down on it for growth.

My take is that they're fascists or feds. I wanna say feds because I don't think the fascists put the kind of effort in to read that Haz and patsocs have done. Haz definitely has engaged with marxist literature to some extent whereas the fash rarely have the attention span.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

I know who doxxed BayArea415 given that I was an advisor of his.

Also, Haz and the PatSoc crowd initially were banking on fighting Maoism (which garnered them support) but ultimately they became right-deviationists.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would also argue that none of his videos were good, not even the first ones, and it's telling that the original gang of Infrared isn't there anymore except for Haz.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hmmm I distinctly liked his Stalin one back in the day. I think what they were doing back then was trying to be shocking by supporting Stalin but it didn't have the effect they wanted (because we actually do) so they moved on from him to other reactionary behaviours instead. I think the goal was and always has been to coopt MLism and then to make MLs look bad, which ties in well with the entryism if you think about it.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If you work under the assumption of fed involvement it sorta demonstrates how an inexperienced team of liberal feds would approach things too. They would initially internally expect pro-Stalin things to be "shocking" due to unfamiliarity with MLs. Also they probably expected pro-Stalin content to have more of a detrimental effect if others saw it, that people on the wider web would see pro-Stalin stuff and immediately have a visceral negative reaction. Instead, people watched that content and softened their views on Stalin which is the opposite of what they wanted because they didn't want to help MLs they wanted to make MLs less attractive to the new growing waves of baby-leftists.

This experience for them led to adaptation of their methods and a change of direction.

The dots connect together rather neatly.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's what a conservative would do, tbh.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Right. It adds up, along with the change in tactics after they rapidly learn that it doesn't produce the result they intended. Assuming there's a system of action/evaluation involved which any organised fed effort would definitely have.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

True enough, but being a resident of Virginia, I can tell you that feds also have rivalries with each other and even sabotage each other.

And they're as dumb as rocks and a lot of them are evangelicals, at least here.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Dugin, yes. At least philosophically. I don’t know if his networks in Russia have any links to them in the US.

But Bannon, sorta. Peter Thiel funded right wing podcasts and ecelebs including Red Scare.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Oh yeah, good point

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Dude, they have to be, especially Jackson Hinkle.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah, there's something very weird about how he went from "guy on youtube that literally no one has heard of" to appearing on Tucker Carlson's Fox show in a matter of months.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I usually just write off the typical online "This youtuber/streamer/podcaster is definitely a fed!" stuff as bullshit, but this particular guy really makes me wonder.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Goddamn, and I hate fed-jacketing, but...

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Dude looks like a grown man but is supposedly 19. He also recently started college. Normally I wouldn’t think much of that, but with all the context, he’s definitely grooming susceptible college kids into doing stupid shit.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Dude looks like a grown man but is supposedly 19. He also recently started college.

I believe what you're thinking about here was some dumbass bit he recently did for his youtube channel or whatever, where he just went to some random college class and started doing ePiC oWnS on the blue-haired sjw's like it was 2015.

As far as I know he's not an actual student, and he's like 22-23.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They're fucking feds, I tell you.

I was wondering why they were specifically interested in CPUSA, and this clears it up. Good luck in your fight against them anyway.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'm not a fed. We're literally being attacked by feds.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm sure you aren't, I'm just saying that the central body of the org was compromised over a half-century ago by the HUAC and friends

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Also, which central body of the org are you referring to? HUAC isn't the CIA, btw.

Historically, the opposite happened.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I didn't say shit about the CIA, it was all conventionally-domestic bodies afaik, like the FBI and Congressional committees. Apparently also:

"If it were not for me", Hoover told a State Department official in 1963, "there would not be a Communist Party of the United States. Because I've financed the Communist Party, in order to know what they are doing"

By central body, I essentially mean everything "National" in their org chart.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Also, you got that anecdote from a known anti-communist academic.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In addition, if you're so sure about fed involvement, then don't react the way you do simply because I mentioned "CIA." Like, be confident. Instead, you're getting flustered and it makes you look suspicious and like you're not confident that we're a bunch of feds.

[–] BovineUniversity@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Instead, you're getting flustered and it makes you look suspicious

Irony of posting this alongside like four other replies.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, 'cause I've been dealing with this crap a lot and you were just regurgitating Internet rumors.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago
[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

In addition, why is the CPUSA being attacked by feds now?

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Someone said "CIAPUSA" lmao so don't bring up the CIA.

Then don't use central body lol

Be specific.

Also, in the 1970s, they said they only had a minority of informants within the CPUSA.

And how do you explain what happened to Sam Webb?

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

It was not, actually.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Wdym?

CPUSA aren't feds, contrary to Internet rumors.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Man I gotta ask, why are you so in on CPUSA? You're talking about all of their major institutional flaws like this.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

What? What major institutional flaws? I'm not talking about its flaws right now and this has nothing to do with that.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What does it take to join? How are these people possibly getting into the party?

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

We have a vetting process, but some are extra-sneaky. It's not a problem anymore, especially thanks to Joe Sims (one other reason why he's more popular than John Bachtell and beat him in election), but they still keep throwing people at us and some pass through the cracks.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Oh, by me saying that it's "not a problem anymore," I mean the worst is basically over.