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Sorry to post the Poll Pot acount again lol

Also this

https://nitter.net/pollpottt/status/1741572860601090135

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[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

They're just inventing 'tankie' again. Horseshoe theory and its consequences yada yada

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This person also has "AOC stan account" in the bio.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

Reminder that Ukraine has banned all left-wing parties.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Hazites keep trying to infiltrate and take over my org (CPUSA).

It sucks because they keep harassing trans comrades and Autistic comrades like myself (never mind BIPOC ones like myself).

We've kept kicking them out and many don't pass vetting, but it hasn't been without its damage and great damage, I would argue.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

r/stupidpol and its consequences

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

have been a disaster for the communist movement

there

finished the quote for you

;)

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn that sucks ass. Sorry.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Yeah, Haz wants to take over CPUSA "by 2036"

Hence, the oft repeated PatSoc slogan "CPUSA 2036."

He's also friends with Jackson Hinkle and Caleb Maupin.

Each one of them has 10s of thousands of followers with Hinkle having over 100,000 on YouTube, I think.

I believe Rainer Shea has also become a PatSoc recently and has been on Maupin's streams.

You can see where them telling their fans to infiltrate and take over the CPUSA would be a problem.

They're trying to commit mass entryism.

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These goofs have ties to LaRouchite organisations and this stuff is straight outta the LaRouche playbook.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LaRouche used to harass the CPUSA in the 1980s and also was against the anti-apartheid movement in the USA (regarding South Africa).

At one point, they started throwing churches at a church by a large amount that was anti-apartheid and called for divestment.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I saw LaRouche’s thoughts on mother-daughter relationships and I’m just bern-disgust

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

LaRouche was also a CIA asset or at least an asset of the FBI.

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[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn twitter is becoming real.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

No joke.

They're fucking feds, I tell you. Or so I think.

They're using social media accounts to galvanize people to commit mass entryism on various orgs. They apparently did this with the American chapter of the KFAUSA (or, at least, they may have a "PatSoc problem"). I questioned a PatSoc about this who turned out to be an anti-Semite during a Twitter Space and he was... fucking skittish. He wouldn't give a straight answer.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The leading patsocs are absolutely feds.

[–] pooh@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So when Haz wasn't even a thing yet, I remember seeing a suspiciously polished promo video for INFRARED that immediately set off alarm bells for me. Also strangely, I can't seem to find that promo video anywhere now.

I also remember not long after the channel started seeing a clip of Haz on a girl Twitch streamer's stream and the title was something like "Haz flirting with ____" and the whole thing struck me as overtly trying to appeal to lonely young men on the internet, in a similar vein as gamer gate, red pill garbage, etc. Basically following the Steve Bannon/Mercer Family social media manipulation playbook. I haven't really dug into it, but I'd be curious to see if there are any links with patsocs to people like Steve Bannon or Aleksandr Dugin.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He got recommended on r/chapotraphouse a few times, and because I don't watch streams or go on twitter, I had no idea who he was for like... A while into chapo.chat

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

It took us some time to work out the whole thing they were doing was sus to be fair. Initially Haz looked alright until the reactionary stuff piled up and up and up. Some of his early Stalin videos were genuinely good. Several of us, including myself, thought he was a good entry into the lineup of marxist creators at the time, Bay Area 415 was also suspiciously doxxed and taken out of commission at the time, there was a concerted influence and counter-influence op that was mounted against growing marxist influence at the time. That shitbag Beau of the Fifth too exploded during that period. And funny-clown-hammer growth was explosive too but we countered him relatively well.

Haz and the patsoc crowd started getting attention for being reactionary and double and tripled down on it for growth.

My take is that they're fascists or feds. I wanna say feds because I don't think the fascists put the kind of effort in to read that Haz and patsocs have done. Haz definitely has engaged with marxist literature to some extent whereas the fash rarely have the attention span.

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[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dugin, yes. At least philosophically. I don’t know if his networks in Russia have any links to them in the US.

But Bannon, sorta. Peter Thiel funded right wing podcasts and ecelebs including Red Scare.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah, good point

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude, they have to be, especially Jackson Hinkle.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, there's something very weird about how he went from "guy on youtube that literally no one has heard of" to appearing on Tucker Carlson's Fox show in a matter of months.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There really fucking is...

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I usually just write off the typical online "This youtuber/streamer/podcaster is definitely a fed!" stuff as bullshit, but this particular guy really makes me wonder.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Goddamn, and I hate fed-jacketing, but...

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude looks like a grown man but is supposedly 19. He also recently started college. Normally I wouldn’t think much of that, but with all the context, he’s definitely grooming susceptible college kids into doing stupid shit.

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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (16 children)

They're fucking feds, I tell you.

I was wondering why they were specifically interested in CPUSA, and this clears it up. Good luck in your fight against them anyway.

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[–] jack@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man I gotta ask, why are you so in on CPUSA? You're talking about all of their major institutional flaws like this.

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[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This isn't a problem in my CPUSA branch. We simply ask all new members to car bomb the state legislature, and if my handler catches them they ~~have to~~ are allowed to join.

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[–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sucks a lot, but also it's the CIAUSA so it's not like it was in a good place before.

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[–] axont@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

where do these people hallucinate these ideas from? You read Lenin and outside of capitalists the people he hates the most are who he calls national chauvinists.

they'd have a point if they were talking about like 1930s Europe. The fascists then would scoop up socialist party members by arguing fascism could be more efficient at delivering the same goals. So a good number of fascists were former socialists in that case. I think there's one statistic that the Bavarian branch of the Nazis were majority former KPD members.

A lot of people back then must have misidentified the threat of fascism. All the racist aspects must have seemed much more normal back then, or rather, being explicitly racist didn't sound much different than any other party

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I swear it's a case of being terminally online.

I see this same echo-chamber conversations happening all the time on places like Va*sh's subreddit - "Hey guys, I know that none of you are what we call tankies and virtually none of you ever were (with the exception of a couple of people LARPing as model apostates and maybe one or two "Wow, cool flag!!" tankies) but I was wondering if you can fanfic me some armchair psychologizing about what the values, beliefs, and motivations of this group of people are for me so we can all congratulate ourselves on agreeing with eachother"

Like, they could just ask a tankie. They could observe tankies in their natural habitat (screengrabs of the worst takes posted into r/TankieJerk do not count). They could actually read and engage with the literature that tankies tend to agree as being critical.

But no. They just want neat little stories that reaffirm their biases and which require no effort and no introspection.

I used to be an anarchist for a very long time, longer than some of these types have been alive for, and I can speak their language if they ever bother to engage with me in a respectful way. To be entirely honest, I really loathe talking to anarchists and the libertarian left but not for any of the reasons you'd expect - it's because I know their arguments, I know their takes on history, I know their values because I was one of them and I know that if I managed to make myself into an ML through careful investigation that I'd be able to do the same by talking with others and, tbh, it's a horrible experience having the paradigm that you engage with the world dismantled before your eyes. I wouldn't wish it on others and I certainly don't have the capacity to do the pastoral care or midwifery for someone who is going through this process but at the same time I wouldn't want to just wreck their shit and abandon them to the mess either because that's how you create doomers, fascists, and statistics out of people. I'd much rather be surrounded by completely ideologically-committed anarchists than a bunch of nihilistic ex-anarchist doomers who are completely paralysed because they have nothing that they believe in anymore; that only serves the interests of capital and the forces of reaction.

All the claims they make about tankies do not describe me:

  • I'm not young or naive
  • I'm far from being power hungry and I still strongly dislike wielding any actual authority
  • I'm not a simp for any old dictator
  • I don't engage in blind apologism for atrocities commited by communist parties
  • I don't like the state
  • I didn't come to be an ML because I think the flags are cool or through absorbing Red Army propaganda
  • I don't like Putin and I think that his claims of denazification are a just cynical justification for a geopolitical manoeuvre to curb the encroachment of NATO, although there are a lot of Ukrainian fascists being chewed up by the Russian army
  • I'm not a blind China simp
  • I don't accept anything that comes draped in a red flag - I have no love for Pol Pot, for Gonzalo, or PatSocs etc.
  • I'm not some book worshipper
  • I actually engage in activism in my real life
  • I don't own a Mao suit or a ushanka

I've read a decent amount of theory. More anarchist than communist. I've read a decent amount of history. I didn't just stumble into my current political position accidentally or through some sort of opportunistic desire to achieve my own personal or societal goals - none of me actually wanted to renounce anarchism, I still wish that I saw it as a viable path, and I don't think many people know how hard it is to abandon a worldview when you've invested a huge amount of time, effort, identity, and social connection into it.

Sometimes I entertain ideas of going into these sorts of discussions and having an open dialogue but then I remember how blinkered these people are, how desperate they are to have their preconceived ideas reaffirmed, and how inconsequential they are by virtue of their grass-deficiency.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What the fuck is a Hazite?

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Haz/Infared is one of the leading patsocs. His social reaction and support of Russia that isnt at all critical way of thinking has a lot of sway on bird site. Along with Jackson Hinkle and Caleb Maupin. Most of the "MLs" on there are socially reactiontionairy faux-MLs who follow his line of thinking. This has convinced people on there that this is what Marxism Leninsm actually is.

[–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

didn't he use to post here or the chapo subreddit?

[–] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, we suspected the account was his and he got bullied out of here pretty quick IIRC

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

The closest I come to a ban on here is when I bully haz lmao

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[–] M68040@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Haz guys make me wish I had the means to apply line voltage to peoples' motherboards remotely

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Why are so many ultras incapable of following democratic centralism and split over every disagreements they can make up to justify their more-left-than-left faux purity which they claim strengthens socialism and undermines reaction but historically has always ends up strengthening reaction and weakened socialism.

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm afraid to ask, what does (e-) mean?

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I fking hate those lepton-MLs

Only Hadrons in this fking house

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[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I think theyre (rightfully) indicating that its unique to internet MLs.

[–] Goadstool@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

electronic, like in e-mail

[–] showmustgo@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago
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