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Student activism is challenging university endowments : The Indicator from Planet Money : NPR

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MA: So those are some of the practical obstacles standing in the way of divestment. But let's just put that aside for a second and assume that some protesters successfully convince their schools to divest from certain companies. How effective might that be in accomplishing the larger goal of these protests? For instance, a permanent cease-fire.

We put that question to Witold Henisz. He's a professor at the University of Pennsylvania who studied how social movements and shareholder activism affect companies. And he says if a divestment campaign is simply about taking a moral stance or raising awareness around an issue, it can be effective.

WITOLD HENISZ: Divestment can be part of constructing a broader social and political movement. Maybe the protests build pressure against politicians, for voters, for a wide range of companies, not just those targeted by divestment, and they change the way we think about an issue.

WOODS: But if the goal is to directly pressure companies and sometimes then governments into changing their behavior, Witold says research on divestment campaigns from the past few decades suggests they can actually be counterproductive.

HENISZ: Imagine you care really deeply about something a company is doing and you want the company to change. If you sell your shares or if you force someone to sell their shares who cares about the issue, by definition, the person who buys the shares, the person who's on the other end of the transaction cares less.

WOODS: Witold says this applies even to those fossil fuel divestment campaigns we mentioned earlier.

HENISZ: If the university and many other institutions who cared about the climate transition sold their shares, who would buy it? Who would buy the shares? Maybe the Saudi government or maybe the Russian government or maybe the Koch Brothers. Should we feel better about that?

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you sell your shares or if you force someone to sell their shares who cares about the issue, by definition, the person who buys the shares, the person who’s on the other end of the transaction cares less.

Which is why the goal is also to make the pool of buyers dry up. Dipshit.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

Not to mention that the market getting flooded with shares tanks the value which turns off investors.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Aquaman will buy the shares! just-one-small-problem

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The punchline is still is making me laugh even though it's been 30+ minutes since I posted.

Who would buy the shares? Maybe the Saudi government or maybe the Russian government or maybe the Koch Brothers. Should we feel better about that?

I can't believe that's a real thing somebody said on NPR. I can't stomach listening to NPR but maybe I need to start hate-reading transcripts.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

It’s very cute when Americans act like Saudi Arabia is their enemy lol

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

"Walmart and unionization has been in the news recently and we here on Planet Walmart... My goodness."

"Was that a Freudian slip?!"

Annoyed but pretending hard to be enjoying the situation "We here on Planet Money...

[–] sourquincelog@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Damn, it's like talking to my mom

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NPR is a joke. BDS worked on South African Apartheid, and if it wasn't a massive threat to the US-Israel money laundering/Imperial-Client relationship, so many states wouldn't have banned even advocating for it in the US.

[–] casskaydee@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it was actually useless, outlets like NPR would be pumping out articles in support of it

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

This is the correct answer

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is just placid lib speak for "If we don't do it someone else will", bloodlessly evil as usual

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Divesting doesn't work"

Okay you all heard the liberals, guess the students have to do terrorism.

[–] jonne 24 points 1 year ago

That's why I have all my money in HAMAS bonds.

I'm going to do entryism into Raytheon

This is a good tactic iam a genius

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Real settler energy.

[–] davel@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

blue-check State-affiliated media

[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

As a climate change activist I have no choice but to plow every dollar I have into exxon mobil shares. I wake up every day at 5 am and work myself to the bone for this

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

If divestment were counterproductive then Israel would be pursuing it as "counterproductive" for leftists benefits Israel.

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

absolute fucking nerd shit

this is a great example of the adage that when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything becomes a nail

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Distinguished researcher has no idea how stocks work, pretends to be expert to tut-tut genocide opponents anyways.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

obama-sad "Push your own communities to adopt smarter practices. Invest. Divest."