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As an outsider (I live in Belgium) it feels very weird and dystopian to see everything happening in American politics with Trump and Musk.

On one side, it's very interesting and almost entertaining; on the other side, it's scary. I can't imagine what it must be like to live in the USA.

Americans, how do you cope? What's your take on the situation?

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[–] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 91 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I am trying to ignore it. It’s like all the worst fears I could have coming true. The richest man in the world, a naked fascist and virulent transphobe, is gobbling up all the sensitive data the government has and is feeding it to AI so he can tear down the government and usher in techno-feudalism.

Meanwhile, I still have to go to work and pretend that everything is fine and normal, while the government is trying to define trans people out of existence, help Israel ethnically cleanse Palestine, and threaten every ally we’ve had.

I want to leave, but it’s extraordinarily difficult to uproot your life, and there’s no guarantee that finding a viable way to move elsewhere is going to happen.

So I’m just trying to imagine myself as a tiny individual, trying to hide from the brutality and eke out a good life with my little resources and community, and pray that whatever happens doesn’t happen to me directly.

Maybe I should be out protesting - I feel like I should - but there isn’t a mass movement right now, and there’s no leverage in government to stop them. So things are feeling pretty bleak right now.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 19 points 4 months ago

Maybe I should be out protesting - I feel like I should - but there isn’t a mass movement right now, and there’s no leverage in government to stop them. So things are feeling pretty bleak right now.

Nothing is going to change in a big hurry, no matter what happens, but the efforts great and small that we all make are cumulative over time, so that when observable change happens, it'll be solid.

You're enough. What you can do is enough, even if it's as simple as making some space in your home to be able to accomodate someone who needs safety on short notice, getting involved in mutual aid, printing flyers, being observant and identifying small opportunities to make fascists think twice. Even just getting into a resistance mindset is a positive move.

Everything has risk, of course, and the level of risk you are prepared to take on, for you, is up to you. A teeny tiny bit of risk today might just make you feel that you can take on a bit more tomorrow, and a bit more the day after that.

[–] pet1t@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

and there’s no leverage in government to stop them.

Do you think government will do anything at all in the coming weeks, months, years? I can't wrap my head around the situation at all. How does anyone with a slight bit of brains and a small grasp of history just accept this? It's so dystopian...

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Most people are living paycheck to paycheck, and the US is so big that getting from bumfuck, Arizona to DC is a monumental task. Hell, even getting from bumfuck, NY to Albany NY is impossible for some. It's all on purpose. Most Americans are barely getting by.

To add to that, half the country wants this

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[–] Bad_Engineering@fedia.io 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Over 50% of our population reads below a 6th year education and our school system has been steadily defunded and dumbed down over the past 40 years. A large portion of Americans only have 2 brain cells and they're both busy fighting for 3rd place. Ignorance and a lack of critical thinking skills is what has gotten us into this situation and I don't know if we have what it takes to get us out of it.

[–] pet1t@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

A large portion of Americans only have 2 brain cells and they’re both busy fighting for 3rd place

I'll steal this one. That's a marvelous quote

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Don't forget the 24/7 propaganda networks telling them they should be angry at immigrants and people who are different from them and that only these specific oligarchs are the ones who can save them from the libs.

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[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

It is bleak. Trust me, I've been fighting this for ten years. Can't say it feels good to have been right all along about what Trump is capable of.

But still, fight back, even in small ways. They want us to be too afraid to try anything, that's been the entire point.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I'm trans. I don't have the luxury of ignoring it.

I have been fighting against this bullshit for ten years. I even got arrested protesting Trump's bullshit once. Met some fantastic socialists and amarchists in jail.

Yeah, entertaining, isn't it? Seeing that every warning bell that was rung was ignored? That every day I waved a sign or shoved a cop, was just a day delaying this from happening?

Has it all been futile? Have I wasted ten years fighting the same fascists my grandfather fought in WW2?

The scariest thing is that the only reason we haven't done the violent uprising thing yet is because the only way it would succeed is if the military instigated the countercoup. We won't survive under American martial law, and they're bullbaiting us into giving them an exuse to kill and imprison us all. We must fight back, but we can't fight back.

This is hell. This is hell. Never, ever, ever let it happen in Belgium. For the love of any god that gives enough of a fuck to listen, care about politics. Care about politics before they decide they don't care about you.

Because in ten years, those of us who aren't in prison camps are going to be starving and freezing. Take a good look. Take a good, long look, and be smart enough to get up and do something dangerous and crazy once in a while when it matters most.

[–] pet1t@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago

This is hell. This is hell. Never, ever, ever let it happen in Belgium. For the love of any god that gives enough of a fuck to listen, care about politics. Care about politics before they decide they don’t care about you.

I try! It's a hard battle, sometimes, because even here right-wing nutjobs are getting more and more normalised. We can only hope that they see the situation in the US and realise they don't want this kind of shitshow. On the other hand... even here some of those nutjobs are celebrating Donny and Elmo. That's very scary.

Has it all been futile? Have I wasted ten years fighting the same fascists my grandfather fought in WW2?

It's not! I really believe it hasn't been futile! Keep on fighting! I know it's very demanding, but never underestimate the power of the masses. I support you, even if I can only raise my voice online. And here in Belgium, I'm fighting for sure to evade the same situation.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Has it all been futile? Have I wasted ten years fighting the same fascists my grandfather fought in WW2?

You didn't waste your time any more than he wasted his. Plenty of people died fighting without seeing victory on the horizon. If WW2 had ended differently, it still wouldn't have been a waste of time fighting Nazis. You can't always win, but you can always fight.

Martial law would be devastating but no matter how well-funded they are, the American defense industry is bloated, mismanaged, and full of flawed humans. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, even Ukraine - all prove that defeat is far from guaranteed against what appears to be an unstoppable force.

But to tell the truth, I am struggling to figure out how to fight at this stage. Messaging, communication, organization - these appear sparse and unreliable right now, drowned out in the sea of disinformation. What will bring us together? Do we need heros to rally around? Martyrs to avenge? Slogans to shout? Organizations to unite? Platforms to coordinate? All of the above?

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (8 children)

For anyone feeling small: Take a stand, join us. Masters are merely men.

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[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's not a good time, let me tell ya.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

American here. Terrified about what's happening and even more terrified how unaware people like my parents are. The department of education going away is, to my mom, something that won't happen but if it does, they had good intentions. This is from someone who has always claimed "both sides are bad". But suddenly now the most nakedly evil people in the history of the country have taken over, it's out of our hands and just stop worrying.

[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Same. My parents tell me to just stop reading the news so I'll feel better. I can't look away from the train crash that is our country, how can you guys?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Exactly. I would feel this way, even if I didn't know people affected and I may be as well, but I do and I might be, so that doesn't help. I was told I stress too much. Fucking absurd dismissive bullshit. This is how we got here. People thinking the American way is to only give a damn about yourself and the people right in front of (assuming your uninformed political beliefs don't conflict with caring about those people). Maybe it is the American way but it didn't have to be.

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[–] Uranus_Hz@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

As a 50something American, it has never been weirder. While I saw this building during most of my life, I didn’t think I would actually live to see Americans voting to get rid of democracy.

But here we are - no longer a functioning democratic republic.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 18 points 4 months ago

I'm not really sure I am coping. I've been seeing a decline for a long long time, but even though I knew it was possible I really didn't think we'd reach the point were we're pretty much going to be living under a dictatorship.

I knew that capitalist interests would continue to decrease everyone's standard of living, and I figured there would be some kind of reaction, I just never in a million years thought it would be the dumbfuck duo of Trump and Musk that actually harnessed the reaction in such a destructive manner.

It's been incredibly depressing to see the right get what they want time and time again making things worse for everyone and yet the propaganda machine somehow manages to create more right wingers.

But then again "the house always wins" and billionaires are the house so it shouldn't be a surprise. :/

[–] sparky1337@ttrpg.network 17 points 4 months ago (5 children)

It’s difficult. You’ve got people that vote red or blue for no other reason than that’s what they’re told to do by peers/family. They don’t look at the possible outcomes, just that “they win”. And wanting to help people is almost looked down upon in many facets of society.

America has a critical thinking problem, coupled with an extreme lack of genuine empathy. Don’t let the “nice American” bit fool you if you ever travel here. The nice small talk is a front, and you can very easily find yourself in an uncomfortable situation. Health care is a great example. Or anything LGBTQ+.

Honestly, it’s a culture thing. It’s toxic as hell and hard to navigate.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Americans, how do you cope? What’s your take on the situation?

Trying not to think about it. It very well may lead to my death, but so does every avenue radical enough to avert it by my personal intervention.

I think the hardest part considering it is how okay people are with everything that's going on. Despite the high levels of copium from liberals and leftists about how there's TOTALLY a grassroots movement ready to rise up, the fact is... there isn't. The protests are smaller this time 'round than they were last time. Public opinion is more in favor of Trump than it was at the start of his last administration.

Many of us noted that this country isn't as left as many of the "Trump will make the moderates SEE that fascism is BAD!" types wanted to believe it was. We were ignored.

People live in a bubble, where what they want to believe is true, and goddamn reality.

Anyway. I'm fucked, and just trying to stay alive until I can't avoid dusting off my old suicide plans.

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[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I smoke a lot of pot. Probably the strangest part is how...I still have to live? I still have to go into work tomorrow, I've still got bills to pay. People just go about their day like nothing is happening. You sit in the office and joke about the ongoing hostile government takeover. Meanwhile, federal employees are getting fucked, trans people are getting erased, they're building fuckin camps down in Guantanamo, people are fuckin starving outside shuttered USAID depots, and I still got work tomorrow. It's like I'm just sitting here waiting for somebody to put a gun in my hands and tell me "the revolution starts now." My local organizations are very focused on making sure people survive right now, which is a very good and noble focus to have, but I haven't really heard of anyone planning something serious to fight back.

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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Americans, how do you cope?

Alcohol

What's your take on the situation?

I'm leaving the country. My friends are stockpiling and getting sterilized.

[–] pet1t@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Move to Belgium! We have lots of quality beers and delicious fries!

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can't leave. They just made my gender illegal to put on a passport.

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[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can vouch for that, Belgian fries are by far the superior kind. In a way I'm glad I don't live there or I'd have the circumference of a small planet by now.

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[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Sharing a border with them makes it a little less entertaining and a little more concerning

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[–] Caffeinated_Sloth@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I’ve encouraged my teenage children to seek employment outside of the States after college, and even attend college abroad if possible. Since the news information ecosystem is compromised, I have no hope for a future USA that is free and equitable.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

People have just started to realize after 50 years that both major parties, and our system undermines the formation of a third major party, stand with the robber barons against needs of the people while stoking social division to protect the robber barons from reprisal.

Kinda demoralizing. Especially considering all the "Herp derp Freedom" kool-aid poured down our throats from birth.

[–] pet1t@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can I offer you our political system with 6 governments?

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

If you're offering me a closet to live in over there where people act like a society then yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

This is exploitation, antisocial hell. We aren't a society so much as a gaggle of rugged individuals at each other's throats for ever dwindling oligarch scraps. There is no hope here, no community, only tribal division and hatred stoked 24/7 by for profit media, with intentionally poor public education that doesn't teach basic critical thinking or reasoning that leaves most unable to separate the propaganda from reality.

[–] pet1t@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

There's a society here, yes! Be my guest!

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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 months ago

All of the media about this stuff has felt increasingly like misleading propaganda to me since 2016, and getting an accurate, unbiased, big picture understanding of what is happening seems somewhere between a lot of work and actually impossible with so many people trying so hard to manipulate you. It is like reality television. I try to tune it out as I can but enough gets through.

I'm glad everyone is finally coming around to hating Twitter though.

[–] NakariLexfortaine@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

Surviving.

Right now, it feels like all I can do. Keep going, keep reaching out to other members of the local LGBT community to help be a wall to lean on, keep telling my partners that I love them. Keep sheltering whatever tiny spark is left.

And making sure that spark is fed, in whatever little ways I can. Letting myself be more open, letting my colors flash a bit more. Trying to smile in the face of hate.

As to my take on the situation, it's fucked. There's no nuance to it. We're watching our siblings and ourselves being actively erased, waking up wondering when our actual existence will be a crime. Even if we make it through, things somehow get better, there's so much trust that has been completely broken.

Our government has pissed on lines that, even with a total change of leadership, will take time to repair. Both within the country and on a global scale. Many people within the country have done the same, there will be no taking back things said and done while they thought it was "okay". There's no forgetting the hate that has been exposed.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If we don't stop the rich from using the American military to take over the world then pretty soon the rich will come for your country too.

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[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 6 points 4 months ago

I've heard people say they've never felt more american than they ever have since the last month. It's a different perspective for everyone. But it does concern me that some people base their entire perspectives on the first ten words they hear, and refuse to think further

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Shit’s pretty fucked right now, and yeah, it’s scary, distressing, and absolutely disturbing.

I live in a small, rural ex-urb. Plenty of people here definitely voted for this. I don’t interact with my neighbors and keep to myself. I live below my means and am financially sound, at least.

I can’t do much about any of this. I donate to my local food bank monthly because hungry people are angry people, and folks gotta eat, regardless is political leanings. And I donate to Wikipedia because I value information.

None of this helps with the insanity and the politics, but hopefully it helps somebody.

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[–] gingersaffronapricat@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Every once in a while a group of mean spirited bullies would get elected to student government. But that didn’t really matter and was only a few months. This is real life and will have consequences for generations. Regan and W bush were both known for defUnding things like science, health, and education. We’re still dealing with ramifications from those defundings today. What we’re currently dealing with wants to make that look like nothing. I have my gripes with Clinton. But he managed to get the budget balanced without this kind of drama and malace. I refused to get sucked into watching this. Watching it only feeds it. I am trying to check on the situation periodically and complain to my representatives at intervals. It isn’t enough. But I’m doing what I can

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[–] Panamalt@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

how do you cope?

Panic attacks, mostly

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

As Americans, we're really good at airing out our political dirty laundry on the world stage, as well as taking every item in the news to its most extreme conclusion (especially in online circles that are too homogeneous in their political leanings).

I just try to cut through all the noise and keep perspective.

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