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[–] Zrc@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago

Pattern recognition is telling me there could be trouble up ahead

recognize this, G*mer

pit stalin-gun-1stalin-gun-2

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Japanese doesn't even have a word for "gay." The closest it comes is probably "ホモセクシャル" (homosekusharu), but that's just a subculture where dudes put their cocks in other dudes' asses and kiss each other and stuff, and they do use rainbows, but it's just a cultural thing and has nothing to do with that woke stuff.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah it's common for men to platonically insert their penises into each other's anuses in Japan, it's a traditional way of scratching a hard to reach itch and serves as a medicine free diuretic.

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's even records of famous samurai and daimyos like Oda Nobunaga and Miyamoto Musashi engaging in that cultural practice, and obviously they were very manly (not gay) and lived long before the woke agenda started.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

geordi-no Socialist fraternal kiss

geordi-yes Samurai fraternal anal sex

[–] axont@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Last time I was in Japan I saw a poster from their communist party that had a fist in rainbow colors. I also saw a few instances of graffiti saying BLM. Was pretty cool.

Also I've met trans people in Japan, like a bunch. This is just anecdotal and vibes though. From what they tell me I got the idea that the average Japanese person is less queerphobic than the average American, but they've got really shit laws in Japan. Like surgery is required to legally change gender, and same-sex couples have basically no protections.

But I think the typical weeb chud's brain would overheat hearing about how there are pretty vibrant queer communities in Japan, and they often use English terminology to describe themselves. Last time I was there I learned the term ノンケ (nonke) means straight. It's a contraction of a phrase meaning like "doesn't feel like it."

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In east asia in general they have less awareness about LGBT stuff and also less awareness about homophobia. Their masculinity culture is also less fucked up and it's common for guys to cuddle and stuff.

I think that since each major east asian country has their own script and speaks less English and largely avoided full colonization from the West are why homophobia isn't a hot button issue there. There's also many nationalist groups that oppose Christianity and it's influence vehemently, so the right wing culture is very different

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sadly the JCP is one of if not the worst communist party in existence, they make the CPUSA look like bolsheviks

[–] axont@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They're pretty bad when it comes to international stuff, but that's kind of harsh. My friend works as a teacher in Japan and the JCP does some decent work with the teachers' unions. They're also one of the most consistent voices in Japanese politics calling for the total removal of American military bases from the mainland and Okinawa.

I dislike how reluctant they are to work with China or the DPRK. You'd think that would be very obvious given their geography and how many Chinese and Korean immigrants live in Japan. Also they should be more vocal about completely abolishing the Japanese monarchy. I still think you're being harsh considering the JCP does an ok amount of union salting, which means they're at least better than useless.

The main issue they're always going to face is they're a primarily electoral party within the Japanese parliament, which is a government that was hastily designed by the USA to ensure Japan is always ruled by American interests, large Japanese businesses, and the yakuza.

[–] machiabelly@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't think that liberal democracy has ever really allowed democratic control of foreign policy. Until our capitalist world state starts to crumble all any electoralist communist party can do is advocate for less exploitative domestic policy. Until the US declines its puppets will be manipulated with short strings. Electoral parties, unions, revolutionaries, can effect policy within their borders. The only way to change exploitative foreign policy is for the victims of it to fight back.

The JCP isn't going to take a stand, and potentially lose voters or risk the wrath of the other parties, on principle. The reality is that foreign policy is what voters care about the least. It doesn't effect them directly.

Think about Corbyn, his stance on Israel was correct but it also lead to him getting smeared as anti-semetic. Would the media have found something similarly nonsensical to slander him with? Probably. But its easy to look at that and see something avoidable.

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Honestly, if I was Japanese. I'd be a little offended that they think we're all identical to dumb Americans on cultural issues.

Off topic, but which culture is to us what Japan is to the right? A western country that isn't terrible and maybe we can use as a shield to pretend that we're not woke in discussions. Ireland, perhaps?

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I think it's funny they're using Pat Robertson-style pearl clutching dusty Republican mummy language like "sex cult" when these guys spend the time they're not complaining about the woke mind virus or gaming cranking their hogs to the most depraved hentai imaginable and drooling over underage anime schoolgirls

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

Tbf paleocons also drool over schoolgirls

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They say "Sex cult" as if that doesn't just make the movement sound even cooler to me. "A vote for Bart is a vote for anarchy", etc, etc.

yeah, but at no point are they touching an actual person, so it's good and christian

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago

Wishing all bigots a very die mad about it.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago

Imagine being so sad and pathetic that anyone not white cishet christian and male playing your bideo gmae triggers you.

[–] charly4994@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The rainbow while it can have other meanings is clearly being used as an LGBT thing here. The rainbow flag is used by queer folk in Japan as well. These bottom feeders just act like they know all about Japan when they've only ever watched anime and never actually even been in Japan. Japan has a myriad of issues, but they'd realize it's not this conservative stronghold of traditional values if they actually went and talked to people.

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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

Hijacked by the Sex Cult: A Jesus H. Rainbow novel

Coming this Fall

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

oh yeah, wouldn't want anyone to think you're paranoid and afraid of gay people lurking in the shadows or anything

[–] abc@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

~~I just know this is /r/persona and lmao~~ It's KIA

given the P3 story beats at the beach (which is pretty similar to Ryuji's shit little 'story beat' at the beach in P5) - I have no hope this is a pride pin, or at the very least, it is a pride pin and they will somehow tie it into a mission where you have to wait for the dark hour to beat up a bunch of crossdressers or something because they approached the group at the beach and said something like "hell yeah love the pin". (Who would even be wearing it in the P3 cast. Actually I take this back, it'd definitely be Fuuka)

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

Its just crazy that they're going through frame-by-frame and freaking out when they see anything vaguely gay-coded.

I just imagine the sirens going off like in Kill Bill and them zooming in and out on the TV screen every time this crosses their gaze.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

nah, I guessed right, it's /r/KotakuInAction (content warning for every kind of braindead bigotry you can imagine). It has that distinctive combination of fascist conspiracy theorizing and a sincere belief that they're really normal, well adjusted people who are being FORCED to get really mad about removeds in video games by the SJWs. Also I don't think anyone outside of KiA still unironically says SJWs.

[–] abc@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

I jumped to conclusions!!

[–] laziestflagellant@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay phew I figured it was in a chud subreddit. So much for being concerned about ethics in gaming journalism :^)

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Every time I read a comment on there I'm astonished that these guys don't forget to breath. the only fash subreddit that straight up banned discussion of trans people because it took over every discussion about any topic.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

But they're nonpolitical and just wanted to play video games morshupls

[–] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I just played through Persona 5 royal and its so weird because the gay comic relief characters are absolute dogshit but Yusuke is clearly coded as gay and you can't pursue a relationship with him. Its almost like some of the dev staff were a lot cooler than others or things were altered in later development.

The relationship stuff in general is odd. The main character is clearly a college student, he has an apartment over a coffee shop, he goes to bars. Why not just age the characters up a bit, set it in university and make the whole thing way less awkward and creepy

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Its almost like some of the dev staff were a lot cooler than others or things were altered in later development.

I read Yusuke as Aroace myself (being one myself), but it's a fact that in the preceding game that was explicitly the case. Your main sidekick and man of questionable behavior was supposed to be a gay romance option. It's even been coded into the game, so that mods that restore it exist, but it was removed at some point of development.

Why not just age the characters up a bit, set it in university.

That's a super common criticism, and Persona 2: Eternal Punishment actually has its main cast be entirely adults with jobs. Its gameplay is different from P3 - P5, but it exists.

Frankly, I think nowadays that romance options in such games are kinda mid and it wouldn't be too much of a loss if they were removed and the Social-Link/Confidant system is a bad way to tell a character's story.

[–] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I like the mechanics of it. Its an interesting puzzle to balance getting all the social links with the scheduling to unlock all their abilities but I wouldn't care if that was replaced with needing the two personas to be more in tune or something. I definitely found myself fast forwarding through some of them by the end. I think part of that is just how clumsy and ham-fisted it all is. There's potential for a really interesting story about found family there, they just didn't really pull it off.

Case in point I got all the relationships up to ten and then never hung out with anyone again if I didn't have to. I wasn't interested enough in any of their stories to want to see more. My Joker was less an outsider uniting and discovering the value of friendship with other outcasts and more a manipulative bastard that dropped people as soon as he got what he wanted from them.

Maybe that's just how I played it and maybe it'd be different if I was younger but the mechanics seemed to encourage that.

[–] RustCat@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait, I thought Yusuke was Aroace or something? My man only ever seems interested in art.

I read the lake scene as him being interested in the protagonist and he's clearly not interested in women. But I could just be inadvertently writing my own slash fiction here. Some googling reveals people debating for either side. Amusingly the question, "is Yusuke gay or European" is a top search question. I'm not sure what's going on there

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[–] laziestflagellant@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Full on Nazi dogwhistles are getting upvoted that much on a main video game subreddit? Jesus. I knew a lot of Persona fans were awful but that's something else

EDIT: Like I sincerely hope this is Kotaku in action or some other chud subreddit and not the main persona sub

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Like I mentioned, the Persona sub and the meme subreddit have both been making fun of some YouTuber angry about wokeness over the last few days, so it's highly likely that it's not.

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

I just know this is /r/persona and lmao

Actually, both that subreddit and the meme sub have been making fun of a YouTuber named Patrick Bateman Gaming (I think) over making one of those angry "Persona is going WOKE" videos.

As for LGBT+ stuff and Persona 3, it's shockingly... decent compared to the rest of the series, at least in, the PSP remake. The female MC has multiple (!) female romance options (Aigis, Elizabeth) and a surprising amount of choosable dialogue lets you imply she is bisexual and flirt at random. Of course, that route also has the infamous Ken romance option and it's also explicitly not the one being remade.

Persona 3 in general, is more mature in writing than 4 or 5, and is of a similar quality to 1 or the 2 duology, so such shenanigans might not fit even if they wanted it to.

You don't trust ATLUS to handle it well, and tbh neither do I.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

Reddit comments about Japan are always funny. There have been a few instances from games where an older male character who's clearly meant to be a villain lusts after a preteen girl and the comments will make some comments about it being "only in Japan because of age of consent laws." Like no. The guy is obviously written to be a villain and him being a pedophile is part of that. It's one step away from showing him kicking puppies.

[–] Saeculum@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

Nothing is immune to our woke mind virus. It was crafted artfully in the secret bioweapon labs in China and tailored to each individual.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pattern recognition

Jesus Christ

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

trouble up ahead

soypoint-1 gayroller-2000 soypoint-2

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Imagine saying this about the country whose media gave us Astolfo and Felix lmao

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Motherfucker Japan supports gay marriage more than the US does lmao

[–] macabrett@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

Huh, maybe Atlus is actually moving away from being homophobic/transphobic.

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The idiot sheeple when a highly educated country has people that do not follow the same customs that illiterate cousinfucking crackers believe:

ooooooooooooooh

Cry moar Amerikkkans. Go back to watching sportsball.

[–] Tiocfaidhcaisarla@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So redditors can say this but you say slavers should have been killed- though they've been dead for over a century anyway- and you get a whole slew of subs banned. Curious.

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