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[–] tino@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Benefits of trying to go zero plastic is: you can eat healthier. No highly processed food, sodas and all this industrial shit. It's mostly fresh fruits, veggies, cereals, and once in a while, a bit of meat straight from the butcher or local market. And ok, you can't be sure it wasn't wrapped in plastic until it arrived in your kitchen, but at least, you have less garbage to throw out.

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Not to mention avoiding plastic leeching.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Being ecologically friendly is its own reward.

If your neighbor's house and lawn is cluttered with garbage and rotting food, do you also let your house gather the same?

Or do you wish they did a better job and kept your house clean all the same?

What if you had 95 neighbors all full of garbage and rotted food? Is there any number that would make you do the same?

[–] adidev@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Not quite a compare - you can move house, you can't move planet. It's not that I would stop looking after my own garden if my neighbours weren't looking after theirs. It just feels pointless. Using your analogy, if all surrounding neighbours had rotten rubbish in their garden, no matter what you would do, it would still stink in your garden.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 4 points 9 hours ago

I hear this argument over and over again: "Why should I bother recycling? China is poisoning the planet." It's like reverse-whataboutism. I find it really lazy and a pointless attitude. The argument generalizes to: "Why do anything good when bad exists in the world?"

Cleanliness is its own reward. I can tell you if I lived in stink-town where 100% of everyone else's house was a festering mess, I would keep mine clean.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

If you had 95 messy roommates would you not clean the kitchen sink?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

This is exactly why I don't beat myself up over any of this shit... I will do what I can within my own power, but I don't go out of my way to stop using plastic forks or anything like that. It's pointless.

[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

It feels pointless until a corporate drone tells you that you are a part of the problem and about a new law designed to punish you for taking "shortcuts" in life. Like I have to pay an additional tax in my area to help salmon streams but a few miles away is an oil refinery that gets tax breaks yet the water surrounding them is devoid of life... somehow I'm a part of the problem and I have to pay for it.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My Air conditioner tells me to conserve energy for the environment, when it gets warm out. Meanwhile the mall behind my house runs the lights and AC 24/7 even when closed

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 13 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I'm kinda to the point where it feels like nothing us normies do will change anything so until billionaires are illegal it's basically like fuck it.

Eating one billionaire would do more for the environment than all the conservation and recycling we do

[–] okmko@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Sounds like the wrong thing is being fucked.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

My nest app tells me the same, while there’s a strip mall of 8 stores with neon bright signs that stay on 24/7 directly across from my apt balcony. I’d have a great view of the mountains in the AC but nah the fuckin tanning salon deserves that juice

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

A while ago, when the energy crisis was in full swing, I emailed a corporation that owns a large office building in town, that's completely covered with a light display (basically tower-scale christmas lights) that they should please turn off that energy waster.

Their response was like "Our lighting is eco-friendly, because once a month we turn it green to show our commitment to green energy, and that offsets all the energy consumption."

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Slightly off topic, but I find it goddamn funny that someone like MrBeast made a bootleg copy of squid game on his YouTube channel, considering the entire point of the programme was to show that billionaires will do whatever evil they please and get away without any single negative consequence. Not that the premise was too subtle, considering that the villains use humans as literal footrests. How someone can be this tone deaf or uncaring is beyond my understanding.

Edit: I just remembered it's the guy selling kids highly processed food with rotten cheese on top. So, considering that, I'm not too surprised. Just slightly.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

He wasn't allowed to kill them, though, so he's not quite on that level yet.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 133 points 1 day ago (9 children)

The thing is just that its not that one woman, but hundreds of millions if not billions of people that follow trash separation rules.
This would actually have a pretty large effect, however sadly the recycling system is broken and often just a complete lie in many places in the world.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is why I recycle.

But it still sucks to see so much work undone by a few greedy fucks.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Recycling (edit: besides metal) does literally nothing, like it's actually 0% helpful, as long as we're producing more plastic than ever before every single year. We're closing in on 500 million tonnes of plastic produced—not total, produced—annually. Every single person can put every single piece of plastic in the recycling bin, and we'll still have more plastic than existed 50 years ago. There are many things that individual action can accomplish, and this is not one of them. We need legislation for this.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

IIRC plastic recycling is basically bullshit (except maybe PET bottles?) but aluminum is actually effective. Makes you wonder why we don't use more aluminum packaging in general.

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago

Even the aluminum containers are coated with plastic (soda cans, for example)

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I'm going to update my comment. Metal recycling is genuinely good, and recycling makes an enormous impact on the production of new metal

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Any recycling you can't get money back for is either a scam or just not being done. Most city recycling programs just ship the trash to some other country, for instance.

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[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 day ago (9 children)

the recycling system is broken and often just a complete lie in many places in the world.

In many places in the world, or mainly the US? I keep seeing this claim repeated but usually any proof is just about the US

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Isn't it somewhere like only 1% of the recycling stuff actually getting recycled? The rest goes to some kind of landfill to a poor country that decides to take it. I saw this in some documentary

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

For plastics, pretty much. The thing about plastic recycling is that it's more expensive that making new plastic, and the recycled stuff is lower quality and unsuitable for many uses.

Metal.recycling, especially aluminum, makes economic sense and does better.

[–] match@pawb.social 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

about 21% of recyclables across the us: https://recyclingpartnership.org/residential-recycling-report/

as low as 9% in some states and as high as 34% in one of them

[–] basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago

Like it’s been said that differs vastly by location. Afaik here in Germany it works quite okay … and European countries tend to have a higher incineration rate than the US. Burning the trash certainly isn’t the best solution, but at least it converts them into energy instead of just burying it somewhere.

But that aside, I like these "new" cups. It replaces part of the plastic with cardboard. That allows the plastic to be thinner, focusing on sealing it up and the cardboard handle the stability or even light protection. Though it can definitely be that there are some which are still as thick as they were, but that wouldn’t make sense for the producer. Here in Germany the plastic is often see-through and the cardboard printed on both sides. That’s usually used as advertising space, infos for waste disposal, but I’ve even seen it being used for cup noodles to mark the fill level.

Afaik paper is the thing where reycling works best currently, so it should be a win to replace plastic with paper.

The recycling rate increased in 2023. 79.3% of all paper and board consumed in Europe was recycled

- https://austropapier.at/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/23-00-EPRC-Recycling-Report.pdf

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[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

so what's the verdict on hot sauce and yogurt

edit i think i meant that for elsewhere but fuck this, that's a good headline in the image, and fuck this again

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[–] Siresly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 101 points 1 day ago (8 children)

It's a fair observation and very agreeable when the intent is to focus deserved ire on the primary element responsible for the wretched state of the world. But this could also be used to absolve oneself of inaction, deny any personal responsibility, to justify exhibiting similar selfish behavior oneself, or to feel smug about demoralizing or shitting on people who seek to improve society somewhat.

As the meme itself implies, the exploitation class is the problem that needs to be addressed. No need for anyone else to catch strays.

[–] ericatty 56 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't see it as a way to justify inaction. I see it as a way to be forgiving of myself if I mess up sometimes.

Example: in the worst of my grief, I threw away some recyclables because I just couldn't wash them out properly. It took everything just to eat.

I didn't pile guilt on myself over it. I recycle 99% of the time, I never litter. I have to check my pockets for random trash before doing laundry.

Utility companies, corporations, and rich people are not cleaning up after themselves and their inaction almost negates everything me and everyone I personally know can possibly do.

Knowing they are dumping faster than I can shovel doesn't mean I stop shoveling. I still want and actively work to leave this place better than I found it.

Those 91 jets just mean I don't feel overwhelming guilt when I fail. I just try to do better next time.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Private Jets MUST be outlawed

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[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Don't worry. When he recycles those jets next weekend he'll separate the plastics from the metals.

[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I get the feeling this is somehow also criticizing this particular woman. Someone did a small good thing, while others do bad things on a very large scale. What a naive idiot! Not a very helpful sentiment. One needs to look up for moral guidance, not down.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's not the woman that's being criticized, it's the people claiming that the ones not doing that bear all the blame for damaging the environment.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

except it reads as if its all useless and dumb. I don't understand how people don't see this as that?

It's not created to get people to be more on board with climate change policy. It's meant to point out that we just shouldn't do any of it.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, no amount of propaganda is going to get me to stop understanding math. Nothing I do as an individual will ever be even a molecule in a drop in a bucket.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I fucking can't with this fucking shit. Like why the fuck do I need to explain to you how everyone doing something makes the impact. Nobody is expecting you to do it alone. Like why do you place that burden to explain something like that on others. An absolute tragedy you have a brain that produces a thought like this. I'm just fucking embarrassed for your parents honestly.

[–] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

It does read useless but not necessarily dumb, just in vain. For me it acknowledges that we should put a lot more responsibility for the rich and powerful undermining our collective effort.

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago

I think it's more like a response to the way one of these things is given a disproportionate amount of time and attention. We're all expected to micromanage every aspect of our lives to diminish our comparatively miniscule impact of personal choice while the state and the ruling class just do whatever the fuck they want actively slaughtering the environment for fun.

You know what would help me minimize my carbon footprint a lot? Public transportation. A renewable energy grid. Affordable food created along sustainable and environmentally conscious supply chains. Electronics and clothing that is manufactured with long term use, maintenance, and recyclability in mind.

Those things are all out of my reach to implement. Me properly sorting my recyclables (which i do) is such a minor impact compared with those other things. Any offsetting done by proper recycling is immediately undone the moment i step into a grocery store, having driven there in my car for lack of public transportation, and buy food that was wastefully produced and transported to my grocery store via fossil fuel based energy.

The majority of our time and energy should be going into fighting back against the state and the ruling class who refuse to structure society around environmental impact, not on almost the almost irrelevant impact of individual workers. We can and should promote recycling, but we can hammer home that point when our whole society isn't top down engineered with total indifference to the environment.

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[–] Robin@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Eat the rich, but not with plastic cutlery!

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