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[–] ManOMorphos@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

I think it's time for a game platform divorced from Visa/Mastercard to rise to the occasion and step in for these platforms. Websites without these processors already exist, so the model is proven to work well enough (it's less convenient for sure).

I wouldn't think the US would be a good country for this hypothetical store though. I think it's only a matter of time until they attack the publishers and studios directly. I'm not counting on the 1st amendment to help anyone.

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Well that is at least something Bitcoin could have fixed

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

And probably would have if it wasn't being manipulated by speculators.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

At this point I would only try something untraceable like Monero. I don't want the moral police to come knocking to my house saying that I bought something against the glory of the Lord.

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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 1 day ago

Collective Shout describe themselves as a "grassroots campaigns movement against the objectification of women and the sexualisation of girls", but are associated with outspokenly homophobic and anti-abortion Christian conservative groups, according to a now-deleted Vice article. They recently claimed credit for the campaign that saw payment providers pressuring the online storefronts to remove content the group deemed unacceptable.

It's not hard to empathise with the folks behind Itch for being placed in an impossible position, but their lack of forewarning has left creators blindsided and in some cases, seemingly without income. "I wish we had gotten some warning from Steam and Itch," wrote game developer Robert Yang on Bluesky, "but we already know it's Collective Shout + payment processors waging culture war against LGBTQ people and sexual expression. I guess there's nothing else for Steam and Itch to say".

Personally speaking, I'd be willing to extend that good faith to Itch.io themselves, but they aren't the one holding the gun to their own heads here. That'd be financial companies, pressured by Collective Shout, who themselves have ties to an organisation whose CEO once described gay marriage as an "unspeakable offence to God". It's not difficult to imagine what kind of expression these groups might decide to deem as unacceptable next.

[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 84 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Payment processors and financial institutions sure do seem to hold disproportionate amounts of power.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And a single woman and her organization seems to hold a disproportionate amount of power over the payment processors.

I don't understand it. Payment processors could easily tell her to pound sand, but they don't.

[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

talk to anyone that works in the porn industry. Mastercard and Visa have ALWAYS been like this ever since the late 90s/early 00s. they set the rules for what the adult entertainment industry can produce and sell and only now are people discovering because of video games that they've been this way for decades.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Welcome to capitalism. 1 person and their company can influence an entire country while being top 10 retards.

When governments allowed payment processors to dominate the market to the point of duopoly/oligopoly.

[–] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago

And they don't care when it's actual sex trafficking of minors (JP Morgan in relation to Epstein).

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[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago (1 children)
Collective shout finacials
year: 2024
revenue: 458043
employee_expenses: 107000
other_expenses: 215488
net_surplus: 135555
employees: 
  total_fte: 2
  full_time: 0
  part_time: 1
  casual: 4
volunteers: 15
donations_and_bequests: 389800
government_grants: 0
commercial_income: 0
expense_to_revenue_ratio: "70.4%"
average_expense_per_employee: 39400

Leadership
- name: Melinda Tankard Reist
  role: Founder, Movement Director
  public_socials:
    - Twitter: @MelTankardReist
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Caitlin Roper
  role: Campaigns Manager
  public_socials:
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Renee Chopping
  role: Campaigns Strategy
  public_socials:
    - LinkedIn
  public_email_address: r******@collectiveshout.org
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Lyn Swanson Kennedy
  role: Campaigns Strategy
  public_socials:
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Coralie Alison
  role: Movement Operations Manager
  public_socials:
    - Twitter: @CoralieAlison
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

Fuck.

These.

Fucking.

Shitsucking

Subhuman

Leeches

[–] Bubbey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Lot of college-educated white women in these nonprofits lol

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 335 points 2 days ago (35 children)

We can blame the religious organisation as much as we want, but the fundamental problem here is payment processors. They should be common carriers. Content-neutral middlemen who facilitate payment to anything that isn't literally unlawful. This is no different to an ISP throttling access to Netflix because they operate their own streaming platform. If the storefront, the developer, and the buyer are all ok with a transaction, there's no good reason for a fourth party to stand in the way of that.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 112 points 2 days ago (24 children)

Yeah, payment processing is among the many many many industries that ought to be nationalized so they can be administered in a transparent and democratic manner (see also, healthcare education housing electricity internet etc.)

There's just too much opportunity to use it to manipulate markets and oppress minority viewpoints for it to remain in private hands imo

[–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (9 children)

So you want Trump and MAGA politicians to be able to deny your payments instead?

The problem with "just let the government do it" is when the government is run by people like this.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

To me it's insane that food also isn't on that list. Anything that isn't a luxury can't be trusted to be handled by capitalism.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Putting the ridicoulous idea that governments are fair and transparent aside, payment processors need to be international. Otherwise, most countries will not be able to access services because their local payment processor is not supported by smaller websites.

However, the payment processors should be regulated with something similar to net neutrality so they can't discriminate payments. And EU could probably launch a government run competitor to dilute their duopoly.

[–] Bubbey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Really the only time they should be even allowed to discriminate on payment is when it is suspected to be part of a crime.

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[–] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

You know by now you might have to use crypto for yer sinful games.

[–] avattar@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago

Delist thousands of games, or deslist a handful of payment middle-men?

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 143 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's the same religious organization that went after them NSFW games on Steam. Like the games or not, it's always a slippery slope with this kind of censorship.

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 94 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Of course it would be the bible thumpers. Gotta stick their nose into everyone's business.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 65 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If it's against your religion to play porn games, fine. Don't play them.

But fuck off if you think you can tell other people what not to play.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

"it's against my religion to eat fish."

"Okay, then don't eat fish."

"It's against my religion for you to eat fish"

"Fuck off."

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[–] RedStrider@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Damn guess we'll need to move to the alternative- ah wait- no- itch was the alternative.


I wonder if a federated game platform would work as an idea or if that's just an inherently bad idea due to the nature of trusting strangers with your money.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Without payments processors, they can't sell games.

Having a federated platform wouldn't mean much if the payments processors blanket ban the platform.

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just use an intermediary and payment processors will be powerless

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

the problem is the payment processors, not itch

unless you’re fine with crypto, sending cheques by mail or having everything be free, your new platform is gonna get the same problems once it’s big enough to be noticed

[–] rickrolled767@ttrpg.network 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Still wouldn't address the root problem here: payment processing companies have the power to just deny payment from even happening.

Unless you're referring to making a federated platform that instead allows devs to connect with buyers and make transactions off channel.

Would limit widespread issues like this but now you're opening a whole new can of worms with trust

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Crypto payments is one solution.

[–] Turret3857 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This but unironically. I was going to try and use monero recently just to dip my toes in the proverbial crypto water, until I found out that I can't buy anything with monero other than drugs.

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Wow, I might actually have to stop using itch.io, is nowhere safe from the craziest anymore? I dont even make NSFW games, but bending the knee to dickheads over some overtly religious bullshit isnt gonna work for me.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It wasn’t Itch.io’s fault, but the fact that payment processing has been globally monopolized and can force it’s own arbitrary will on anyone without recourse.

Blame Visa and MasterCard and the christofascist scum from Collective Shout, who is responsible for pressuring the processors into harming the stores and artists.

Why anybody takes a "think of the children" organization seriously when their logo is a butthole is beyond me.

It just proves satire is dead and we live in a world full of idiots.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Agreed. Game and movie ratings already exist, who the fuck are they to say what we can/can't access with MY credit card.

I don't play those games nor use itch.io, but fuck this nonsense.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Credit cards companies forced itch.io to remove these games, otherwise they would stop processing their transactions, effectively bankrupting itch.io.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I understand. And my point still stands. Fuck them (cc processors)

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Absolutely. Fuck payment processors

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[–] simple@piefed.social 64 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Direct link to their statement rather than reading an article talking about it: https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 87 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

rather than reading an article talking about it

Good as a supplement, but the RPS article gives context itch.io is too much of a cowardly little bitch to include like: "Collective Shout describe themselves as a "grassroots campaigns movement against the objectification of women and the sexualisation of girls", but are associated with outspokenly homophobic and anti-abortion Christian conservative groups, according to a now-deleted Vice article."

Edit: and yes, the Vice article was removed because Vice's ownership bitched out over covering Collective Shout.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Edit: and yes, the Vice article was removed because Vice's ownership bitched out over covering Collective Shout.

Wow, holy shit. How fucking far Vice has fallen. There was a time they would go the extra mile to cover wild shit that no one else was doing. Greed and the wealthy's critical need to have control over the media ruins everything.

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 49 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wonder how long it will take for them to start going after LGBT+ stuff. Hope I'm wrong.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 11 hours ago

They did, day 0.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I would understand forcibly banning/removing something, if it poses a real existential threat to the majority of people.

But religion fueled bigotry, in a place where you can CHOOSE to buy and play something, or completely ignore and hide if you’d like? Come on. Adults can decide if they want to have access to this content on their own, without a completely unrelated third party constantly trying to fucking inject themselves in between

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