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[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 140 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

They are still being being painted by hand. On a graphics tablet, for example.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 95 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Exactly, it's not the medium. It's like saying movies like Up aren't beautiful because of CG.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 52 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep.

Those older movies are beautiful achievements for sure. But it's disingenuous to say that there isn't a plethora of movies and shows today that rival and surpass those older examples visually. Not to speak of just how much more fluent animation has become.

Many of the people who worked on those older masterpieces are still in animation today, and have only become better at their art.

[–] Ron@zegheteens.nl 35 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The older movies are more atractive because of the flaws, you see the pencil strokes changing between frames. Today IMO they are too flawless.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

That's actually a really good point. The flaws make the beauty more human the same way music recorded reel to reel back in the 70s was very human because of the limitations of the day. And it is beautiful.

Not that a flawless thing can't be beautiful. I just have a bias towards the humanness (pencil strokes, tape flutter) of the older stuff because that's what I grew up with.

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[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I also like how when a kid was a voice actor, they sounded like a damn kid, mistakes and all.

The Aristocats comes to mind, the song Scales and Arpeggios is a great example. I hate hearing weird robotic kids who are flawless or its clear they edited the shit out of a dozen takes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khvaIwonxUk&t=8

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[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not the same. Of course things can be beautiful if painted on a tablet, but differently beautiful.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 11 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I guess it's a matter of taste then. I really enjoy the vibrancy and fluidity of animation we get today. And I find them to be no less expressive.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 weeks ago

Studio Ghibli stuff has, up until recently, always been done by hand and it's about as vibrant and fluid as it gets.

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[–] sundray@lemmus.org 103 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Interestingly enough, 101 Dalmatians was the first Disney film to adopt the process of Xeroxing the animators' drawings directly to cels, rather than hand-tracing them. It's still a beautiful movie of course, but it's also an advance in animation technology that often gets over-looked!

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 77 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (6 children)

My kid got into Lady and the Tramp, so I watched it about a dozen times in a row, and Holeee shiiit is that thing beautifully animated. The backgrounds are needlessly lavish, and look at this...

I'm in awe of the work done on Tramp's ears. The expressiveness, and the subtle balance of flexibility and internal structure is exquisite. You can find other examples of masterfully-done materials all throughout the movie.

Other movies might get more attention, but Lady and the Tramp is worth looking at for some peak Disney animation.

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 14 points 4 weeks ago

It's one of my favourites!

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[–] CalmChaos72@lemmy.world 41 points 4 weeks ago (11 children)

I totally agree, Disney’s Robin Hood from 1973 is peak hand-drawn cartoon

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 21 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

Eeeeeeh... Maybe not. It's pretty good, but there is so much recycled animation that you might aswell call the Jungle book the best aswell.

Forgot about Fantasia?

Lion king?

Don bluth cartoons?

Anything made by Miyazaki.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 36 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

They used a lot of rotoscoping back in the day. Basically they filmed a scene normally with real people, then traced over every frame to give us those fantastic moments of fluid movement in things like Snow White, Mary Poppins, and Beauty and the Beast (which also used 3D by the way).

[–] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Ralph Bakshi used it in the 1978 LOTR. It made the battle scene confusing.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

Dude Ralph Bashki made things weird for fun. Maybe if I volunteer to watch the Bashki LOTR with my wife, who loves that movie, I can convince her to watch Wizards with me. I have been wanting to watch that.

[–] arcayne@lemmy.today 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fun fact, some of the more impressive examples from that era (like Mary Poppins) primarily used the sodium vapor process to get perfect mattes directly in-camera, no rotoscoping needed. It's a fascinating and impressive bit of tech: https://www.historicmysteries.com/science/disney-prism/39484/

[–] quid_pro_joe 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That is indeed a fun fact! I am somewhat obsessed with sodium vapor lights and the bandwidth of light they produce. I would love to have seen the original camera rig and their special prisms, but apparently they only made three and they've been lost.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 7 points 4 weeks ago

Rotoscoping is quite old, too. I think it even predates ww1.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 23 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (12 children)

Actual, handmade art and films are why so many of us look back on the 80's nostalgically, whether it's the Muppets, or Freddy's handmade makeup and practical effects, or the Goonies' crew building a whole-ass pirate ship on a soundstage. Practical effects will always be 100% better than CGI or some crap spat out by an LLM.

[–] Microw@piefed.zip 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The reason why so many people look on the 80s nostalgically is because they were children or teens during the 80s.

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[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

This was 1961 which is definitely not the ‘80s. However, I get your point; practical effects may have been — and were often — jank, but it was real and tangible and I loved it, warts and all.

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 23 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Fun fact: 101 Dalmatians was the first Disney movie to be produced with the help of xerox. This was as a result of the financial flop that was Sleeping Beauty, that almost bankrupted the company and cut their budgets for future movies all the way from the 60s to the financial success of the little mermaid in 1989. This is why Disney movies within that time period has a rougher look when it comes to the characters' lineart and the more simple backgrounds compared to the very detailed, painted backgrounds and colored lineart of all Disney movies up until 101 Dalmatians.

The xerox was a cost cutting method to save time and money and while it absolutely killed Walt Disney to have to compromise on the art, it also paved the way for a new look and feel that, especially in the case of 101 Dalmatians, created a timeless look that still looks as fresh and modern today as the day it was made.

Without the invention and utilization of the xerox, there most likely would have been no Disney company today.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The Disney corporation is a better person when it's poor.

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[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 21 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I just recently rewatched 101 Dalmatians and actually cried multiple times just from really soaking it in. Just the way so much of it comes to life. The imperfections genuinely make it feel so much more alive.

Modern Hollywood animation is incredibly sterile and perfected. A major studio now would never imagine releasing something with visible sketch lines.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure it wasn't nostalgia? Sounds like the same symptoms

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

I don’t think so. I’ve been watching a lot of classics from my childhood lately and most of them weren’t hitting me that hard. Maybe it’s that the actual story and the horror of it sunk in properly for the first time as an adult. Hadn’t seen it since I was young. The voice acting from the pups is just incredible. That probably didn’t help.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago

TBF it was also a time before the corporate entity realized maximum short term profit doesn't come from perfected products.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

A lot are still "painted by hand", the use of vector graphics isn't as prevalent in other cartoon producing countries as it is in the US

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 13 points 3 weeks ago
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

Same with the OG Lilo and Stitch:

https://youtu.be/uGVZFLukUZI

IIRC last film to use honest to god water colors. And it shows.

I think animation, when the animators care, has improved. Yes treasure planet looks better fight me. But I think the problem is that there is more shit animation now, and we have forgotten the shit animation of the past.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

They were more interested in telling a memorable story than making a quick buck

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