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I’d love to see a backfield of Fields, Foreman, Blasingame, and Roschon. Just running the ball. Occasionally throw it to Moore or just hand it off to him and Mooney along with Scott. I don’t know why we didn’t run another reverse with Scott against the Panthers. His 1 carry went for 16 yards. Instead we just kept throwing unconvincing screens.
Tee hee just call plays to his strengths tee hee
I wanna see what happens when JF1 is allowed to go out there and do the Josh Allen special: no gameplan, no focus, just athleticism. Just go out there doin shit.
There is no scheme you can tailor to Justin Fields
It comes down to expectations. Regardless of whether it was fair or not to fire Dorsey, the Bills are supposed to be SB contenders. In contrast, the Bears are a bottom 3 team.
But if Luke Getsy is gone, who is gonna dial up these sick screen passes? Gotta keep him around.
What offense would be tailored to Fields?
This is a serious question. I keep seeing this take on here that the offense doesn't play to its strengths or that is isn't designed to feature Fields's strengths, but those are just empty words. What should be done differently? Specific X's and O's would be great. Because I keep seeing open receivers that don't get thrown to, or not thrown to accurately.
Getsy is more than capable of calling a good gameplan for Fields and it doesn't involve what Nagy had to do to Trubisky in Mitchs final year.
The best way to answer your question is to watch the film review from guys like Chase and JT (there's obviously other guys who are legit). Watch their analysis on weeks 1, 2, 4, 5. The film guys love and applaud Getsy in the 4 and 5 weeks and you see Justin getting the ball out on time. Fields is at his best when he gets some easy layup things and things that are instinctual to him at the beginning of the game. He's a rhythm passer and his swag shows and the rest of the game he's able to be comfortable and run alot of the plays that Getsy really wants for his offense.
I for one am probably done explaining it on this sub. Just too many downvotes and clueless users who obviously don't care to take the time to read a thought-out response or know enough to have one. Best is to just take the experts words for it while seeing the film
Whatever Greg Roman ran with Kaepernic and Lamar.
Greg Roman was a bad OC and the Ravens are much better with Monken.
Well the Ravens went 43-23 while he was OC and Lamar won MVP but sure.
The one kaepernick ran against us for like 3 million yards and 90,000 points.
Wasn’t that just Nevada’s version of the Pistol?
The best offense designed for fields would be one that gets lots of 3rd and long and then he runs against man coverage with no spy.
But since defenses stopped doing that. Therr is no good offense for fields. Because he's an inaccurate qb who can't get the ball out on time. So chuck it to dj is his best option.
The truth but the excuses will keep on coming
I hope so
At this point, firing getsy would do more harm than good in evaluating fields. He’s not learning a new system and playbook in one week in between games, so any replacement OC is going to keep the same system in place. You’re just adding another variable into the equation of evaluating your QB.
After the season they can evaluate the job Getsy did and see what they want to do. At this point, you’ve got to ride with what you have because you can’t re-do an entire system in one week and expect it to run successfully.
Could you keep the playbook and change the playcaller?
That’s what the Bills are doing because they have Joe Brady as a QB coach that has previous experience as OC in the league. The Bears don’t really have anyone on the offensive side with any play calling experience at any level.
There's always Justin.
When an OC change happens. It’s just what’s dialed up, not a whole new system… there are designed runs that haven’t been called yet, haven’t seen any read option this year tbh.
Of course Getsy should be fired but we have a horrible org
Eberlose should be fired too but he’s going to get another lame duck season to ruin another QB.
That's why Getsy hasn't been fired yet, possibly. Firing him in the offseason will probably buy Everlose and Ryan "fuckwit" Poles another season.
Building an offense around fields would be frustrating. A good qb and offense can do multiple things. Fields struggles with screens, quick game, finding a hot in a spread formation. Hard to bootleg when all they are doing is trying to keep him in pocket. You need to be able to beat teams in multiple ways. You need to deal from the pocket.
First of all, I'm really not in agreement it was a good idea to fire Ken Dorsey in the first place.
Second of all. Let's say you fire Luke Getsy, who on the team today is going to run the offense better?
Third, why does everyone hate Luke Getsy's offense? Yes there's a lot to be desired but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. They're absolutely bereft of talent. It's like DJ Moore and the JAGs out there.
The spacing issues.
The blocking assignment issues.
The overly long developing routes.
The over-reliance on screens.
The idiotic use of play action on third and long.
Justin makes mistakes, absolutely. But you almost couldn't design a better offense to play against his strengths.
Moore/Mooney/Kmet/WR3 isn't bad. Our offense has enough talent. I'd like a pass catching back, but that's about it.
We actually have talent, our QBs just suck. If we even had say, Brock Purdy, we'd have a top 10-15 offense easily.
Probably not. Bears organization has shown lack of competency with making wise decisions such as letting go of staff after certain results are not met. They only do it if they are “not part of their culture”.
Help me understand what was wise about letting Dorsey go for a retread like Joe Barry.
The Bills offense weeks 1-10: 3rd in DVOA, 1st in success%, 3rd in EPA/play, 4th in QBR, 3rd in yards/play, 2nd in 3rd down conversion%, and 3rd in red zone efficiency.
It was clearly reactionary. If they had won the game, Dorsey would still be employed. More specifically, if they had not gotten a ST penalty that gave the Broncos a second chance on a missed FG. That's not good decision-making methodology. You shouldn't fire someone for someone else's mistakes.
The Bills have 8 fumbles this year and have lost 7 of them. That's luck. Miami has twice as many fumbles (16) and only lost 5 of them. That's bad methodology. You shouldn't fire someone for having bad luck.
The head coach is a defensive HC, so he's not going to fire himself. That leaves the OC as the scapegoat, and by god did they scapegoat him.
In 2021, Bills went 2-4 in the middle of the season with 13 turnovers in that stretch, but stuck with Daboll, righted the ship, and barely lost to the Chiefs in the divisional round.
Honestly I doubt he wants to work the rest of the season, but we should hire Dorsey as an offensive consultant. He's a damn good offensive coach.
What good does scapegoating someone in the middle of the season do?
Wait till the offseason and just clean house.
Because we can't have nice things and we are destined to be a poverty franchise forever
The thing is, fields was lighting it up in preseason. So he knows the scheme and can execute it. But you know what’s different in preseason- there is less pass rush.
There’s no accountability. I can’t imagine Flus actually holding a coach accountable. I can’t imagine him holding a player accountable either but I hope he’s at least doing that.
Getsy should get fired.
Also firing Ken Dorsey might save Josh Allen's career or at least lengthen it.
I was never a fan of hiring coaches from Carolina for Josh Allen. Cam Newton might not have been perfect, but I still maintain Ron Rivera and that coaching staff absolutely drastically shortened his career and prime by having their offense be, Hey our QB is going to lead our power run game with a bad offensive line AND we're going to rely on deep throw downfield for our passing game despite having no good left tackle and holes up front.
I think McDermott, consciously or not relied way too much on this. Dorsey was the QB coach for Cam in Carolina and I also think once Daboll left, they leaned even harder into this flawed model of how to use a franchise QB in the modern NFL.
Say what you will - Getsy has done a good job scheming up a very effective run game despite not having a legitimate QB1 on the roster.
I'm not saying I think he's great, but pretending he's the worst OC in the league is a bad take.
Dorsey is getting fired because Allen is actually good - it's harder to judge an OC when they don't have a QB.
Flus knows he needs Getsy to tank still.
It’s pretty simple; we won’t have anyone to fill the role. We’ve already lost multiple coaches and another one just isn’t going to happen
Being at the bills game , don’t know why they went after Ken Dorsey . 90 percent of the broncos plays were handoffs to Williams yet they were letting him run and the defense were letting Wilson scramble and the 12th man on the field penalty was rookie . Allen just did not look good at all , every time they had momentum they had a turnover . I don’t think that loss is on the oc
Ego. They don't think they're the problem "it must be everybody else"