They can’t pass on a quarterback after missing on Stroud.
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Right now you gotta go MHJ+Olu. But I’d be happy with Latu too.
Can we stop regurgitating these same takes 45x a week. OP I appreciate your passion but you’re now Bears Fan #2819 to say this exact sentiment in the last month. If you want to make this a thread worth discussing at least defend your grades on the prospects. Saying “I don’t like them” and “I’m not sold” while then touting lower rated prospects (again with no real analysis) is kinda just word salad imo
No. It’s a platform solely designed to discuss topics. The draft is the only thing worth discussing about the Bears outside of when they fire Eberflus. Those should 100% be daily topics.
I’m not trying to dispel your ability to discuss a topic you’re passionate about. I even called that out. That’s why we’re all here.
But I will also always call out lazy and tired takes especially from the OP, who essentially curates and frames the topic/discussion, and you provided no real substance to that other than talk about your “feelings” towards the players. How is that supposed to invoke anything other than an eye roll, let alone thoughtful discourse?
Go yell at some clouds or tell the young whippersnappers to get off your lawn.
This. He has both Penix and Nix as guys that will be better than Williams when Penix and Nix are almost opposite guys. Penix throws a pretty deep ball and often while Nix has thrown 1/3rd of his passes behind the LoS. Some reasoning why you think both of those styles will be successful would be nice.
So, speaking as someone who would prefer to keep Fields and take MHJ...
Caleb Williams is being very underrated at this point, and would look like Bagent with a cannon in our offense. I just worry that Chicago will destroy him.
I don't know what to do with that information other than post it here. Just a semi-random thought for the draft speculation thread of the day.
You are ignoring the fact that the offensive line has been a top ten unit when healthy and the wr plus te group or a top ten weapons group right now. Fields is not good at distributing the ball.
I'm not ignoring any of that. Furthermore, I do not think Fields' rush rate is sustainable.
If you read the tea leaves, Adam Jahns has been not so subtlety hinting that the Bears seem to be moving on from Fields. He’s mentioned multiple times that people within Halas Hall listen to their podcast. Jahns is a great read and the podcast is a good listen whether you like those guys or not. I’ve learned you can get a feel for what’s going on within Halas if you listen to them enough.
If we have the number 1 pick there's a 100% chance they're taking Caleb unless Fields puts up MVP numbers the rest of the season. He's been too inconsistent for any GM to give him the benefit of the doubt going into his 4th and 5th year extension.
Best case scenario is that Arizona wants to move on from Kyler. We can get the #2 and #20 plus more picks for the first pick. We get MHJ, an elite OL or Edge with our pick and someone like Bo Nix later on. Spend our ridiculous cap space wisely in free agency and we are contenders next year.
Spend our ridiculous cap space wisely in free agency and we are contenders next year.
Not sure whats more delusional here, the fact that you think Poles is gonna spend money on premium talent instead of a bunch of fringe starters bc "value" or that you think that this team can sniff contention with Fields as the starter
Kyler's contract is completely unmovable until the 2025 offseason. They aren't taking a QB top of the draft, and they sure as hell aren't giving up picks 2 and 20 to move up one spot. That team needs to fill holes rather than go all-in for a single position that they already have filled. They're either in camp MHJ or trade back if he gets taken.
This is what I think too. MHJ and the best OL/Edge available. If you can do that AND trade back it’s a jackpot. Even if you can’t…I really don’t think Caleb or Maye are the unquestionable answer IMO. Seems like there’s about 6 realistic NFL QBs in this draft.
No team in the league will be a contender with fields as the QB
He’s literally Jalen Hurts and they are the best team in the NFL
When we say MHJ is the best prospect without question… uhh, I question that. Dozens of analysts question that.
I am absolutely not against drafting him. But there are other collegiate receivers having great years. Jamar Chase was a great prospect. I would have 100% taken Sewell given the choice. The Bears traded an early first round pick for Moore. Are they really going to spend a second on MHJ?
The meltdown on this sub when they realize that this team is drafting a qb with a top pick next year is going to be glorious to watch.
It’ll honestly become apparent before draft day even. Let’s say they have the first pick and trade down, that just automatically tells me that they’re not going the QB route. We will probably know the answer to the question by next March.
As of right now there isn’t a right answer obviously and both opinions are valid and have their advantages and disadvantages
There is a right answer lol, Fields hasn't shown any signs of consistency and has only marginally improved year over year. Yes he has 7 games to show that he's suddenly become a star QB, I could also bang margot robbie but neither is happening.
Fields needs to show continued consistency but he has improved pretty noticeably:
Completion %: 58.9 (21), 60.4 (22), 62.7 (23)
TD's per game: 0.58 (21), 1.13 (22), 1.71 (23)
TD %: 2.6 (21), 5.3 (22), 6.5 (23)
Int %: 3.7 (21), 3.5 (22), 3.1 (23)
Passing Success Rate: 38.2% (21), 36.7% (22), 40.3% (23)
Passing Yards/Game: 155.8 (21), 149.5 (22), 195.7 (23)
QB Rating: 73.2 (21), 85.2 (22), 93.3 (23)
God...i even read this exact comment after reading the exact same thread before. I feel like Bill Murray in groundhog day.
If the bears draft a qb, these Fields stans will be in here nitpicking every mistake the rookie makes
I’m not a Fields Stan by any means, but I do root for whoever is under center for the Bears whether it be Bagent, Trubisky, Fields whoever it is.
I’m not opposed to the idea of drafting Maye or Williams, but I’m not gonna root for a player who isn’t even on our team yet lol
Why not root for the guy we currently have till the end of the year and if we change QB’s, root for the next guy. It’s that simple. If you’re rooting for Fields to fail, then you’re just as bad as the people who would root for Caleb or Maye to do bad here just to prove a point
We're fucked if they draft Caleb Williams. We're also not drafting a QB if they arent firing the current coaches. I also think Ryan Poles has the wherewithal to know it needs to be different coaches teaching someone new.
Its also entirely possible that the coaches get fired and we still keep Fields. I think Fields under the right coaches can be fucking nasty good.
The end game is i just want them to get it right. It sucks not having a good team to root for.
If you think there’s a near zero percent chance that we take a QB one then you know nothing about football
There’s a near zero chance that any team drafting first takes Nix, though. I’d put money on that.
I don’t think there’s a near 0% chance, but either one is entirely possible. It’s too much to speculate right now even, and it doesn’t make much sense.
There are factors aside from just Fields’ play that will come into the equation like if the new HC likes a prospect more than he does Fields, then even if Fields balls out he wouldn’t stay.
I’m honestly tired of having this talk like every single day because we truthfully won’t know the answer to the question until after they hire their new coach and the season ends
Then why did you say "there is a near 0% chance?"
This is a daily post at this point
They are all a daily post at this point. Poles, Eberflus, Getsy, Draft, Free Agents, Fields.
It’s weird right? Why the hell would people come here to talk about the Bears? Chumps
No shit. It’s almost like Reddit is a platform solely dedicated to discussing things on a daily basis….what a bunch of get off my lawn boomers . I guess they’d just prefer deafening silence.
There are 151 days till the draft. I speculate there will be 478 standalone posts asking what people think we should do in the draft.
Anyone want to get a pool going?
You think they can get megathread up before then?
Its gonna be Caleb Williams / Drake Maye
Poles has limited time and he can’t pass on a QB again. Passing on a QB means he’s basically risking his entire tenure on fields. Why do that when he can reset the clock, reset the contract situation, and get “his” guy?
This is what I think too I like fields and think he can be a good QB but you can’t pass on a QB two years in a row with the number 1 pick Caleb willliams immaturity scares me but I think he has a higher ceiling than drake maye
I don’t think that is true though. All the top teams built their teams first, then got the Qb. Ravens, Niners, Cowboys, Eagles, Chiefs, etc
This gets said a lot. But many of these teams didn't plan on building the rest of the team first. They tried to get their QB while building, and either failed or the very least figured out he wasn't quite good enough to get to the top level as the rest of the team got better. A lot of the time upgrading QB after the rest of the roster is built is plan B.
My thoughts on the draft. Trade down and get as much capital as you can.
Anybody else think that the Bears have already made the decision that they are moving on from Fields and the game plan against Detroit reflected that?
They called more quarterback runs and moved the pocket a ton with very few straight drop backs. That kind of game plan makes Fields look good which is pretty obvious to everyone. So the question is why now? Why haven't they been doing that the whole year?
Is it possible they've completed their evaluation and want to have Fields play well the remainder of the season to up his trade value?