Chicago Bears

Just note that I hate this coaching staff and I’m really hoping they are gone by the end of the season. I’m wondering what y’all think they can do to get the Bears back on track?

With our dunces still running the show you would have thought there was a rule against this or something.

Just out of curiosity could we somehow draft the best offensive line in the NFL or trade for them with the picks we have?

https://stathead.com/football/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=CutlJa00&p1yrfrom=2009&p1yrto=2010&player_id2=FielJu00&p2yrfrom=2021&p2yrto=2023

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Inspired by a prior post comparing Orton and Justin, thought it interesting that Justin has now has 31 starts (33 total games) which is how many Jay had through his first 2 seasons with us. Most folks here would probably assume Jay was a better passer/QB, and he does have a slightly higher completion percentage (60.5 vs. 60.1) and significantly more yards (not surprising since total yards are mostly a function of volume/attempts). But interestingly Justin has the higher yards/attempt, passer rating, and TD/INT ratio (1.30 vs. 1.19). This comparison should also favor Jay more since these were his 4th/5th seasons in the NFL, ages 26 and 27, whereas these are Justin's first 3 years, ages 22-24. Justin has way more sacks (87 to 115, 8.1% to 13.3% rate) and fumbles (19 to 32) which isn't surprising given the criticism of holding the ball too long. Also not surprising is Justin's massive advantage on the ground, but some may be surprised that, per pass attempt, he has been the more efficient passer despite being earlier into his career. However, his issues holding the ball/taking sacks/being susceptible to fumbles are even worse and hold him back even more than I would have thought.

This pop star pu**y war is on! Who should it be?

I nominate Patrick Scales.

So many Fields-related posts. We play Sunday and we might finally have a healthy OL.

Just let the dude play and shut up about 2024 or Bagent. We’ll know what next season holds towards the end of this season.

This sub is flooded with useless speculation and hate. Maybe some old Bears highlights or game breakdown every now and then wouldn’t hurt.

Out of curiosity I pulled up the complete stats for all Chicago Bears passers on https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/career-passing.htm. I was interested in seeing how Justin Fields W-L ratio stacked up to other QBs, however when I selected yardage as the criteria to sort out the QBs I was genuinely surprised to see how closely Kyle Orton and Justin Fields stack up in terms of their passing stats for the same number of games played with the club. Both currently sit at a total of 33 games, however their total passing yardage is nearly identical:

At 33 games:

Kyle Orton: 5319 yards

Justin Fields: 5313 yards

Fields has a higher completion percentage (60.1%), however one could argue that is because he often runs the ball out of bounds rather than throwing it away when under pressure. Fields also has a higher TD %, but also a higher INT %. Otherwise, it's strange to see how closely their passing stats match even though Orton was seen as a stopgap QB at best in an era where we had a strong defense and Fields has been promoted (at least in the past) as a 'generational' QB by his fans and the club.

It's also interesting to look at overall QB W-L records. Fields obviously has one of the worst W-L records in team history (and it looks like the absolute worst with over 20 starts, as his percentage is down there with Cade McNown, who had fewer starts), but I was honestly surprised to see that Grossman's W-L record was nowhere near what I somehow remembered it being.

My takeaway is this, as someone who is tired of all the excuses for Fields and is becoming motivated to post here by all the 'ride or die with Fields' mentality: I don't believe Fields is the future and think his stans are not paying attention, however he is about equal as a passer to all the mediocre QBs that we eventually moved away from in the 2000s. His passing stats, based on this chart, basically fall within the Orton-Grossman-Miller range of the 2000s. These were QBs who had some good moments, but they were all guys the Bears moved on from after they got past 30 games. Cutler's stats are significantly better and I feel guilty for bashing on the guy back in the day:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/career-passing.htm

As someone who wants to see Fields succeed and still believes in him I am happy that our upcoming schedule is so tough, it will be the ultimate test for Fields the true make-it-or-break-it time for him as our franchise QB. If he can succeed against the lions, browns, vikings he is the guy and if he sucks he isn't.

Among the 33 QBs with enough dropbacks to qualify, Bagent ranks first in the NFL, having been sacked on just 3.4% of his dropbacks. Fields ranks 32nd, the second-worst in the NFL, having been sacked on 12.9% of his dropbacks.

Maybe it’s the game plan, maybe it’s Teven, or maybe…JF1 simply can’t plug the trigger when he needs to.

Not a Fields hater or truther, but the similarities are interesting -

Trubisky

• 1,594 passing yards
• 13 TD’s, 2 rushing TD’s
• 6 INT’s
• 2 games with a QB rating of 120 or higher (vs the 31st and 27th ranked defenses)
• 3 games with a QB rating of 80 or lower
• https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TrubMi00/gamelog/2018/

Fields

• 1,201 passing yards
• 11 TD’s, 1 rushing TD
• 6 INT’s
• 2 games with a QB rating of 120 or higher (vs the 31st and 32nd ranked defenses)
• 4 games with a QB rating of 80 or lower
• https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FielJu00/gamelog/2023/

Bears

I wanted to solidify both lines & have the generational talent at WR along with Moore & Mooney. I don't think the top tier is really better than the second tier, and if we could keep someone like Ewers off the field while the offense gels with the new staff, we could have something special.

Although this can safely be assumed, we must look at a few things.

This is the Lions fourth game against a team with a top 10 run defense. First game against a team in the top 3. Those games were:

W vs. Chiefs [#10 RSH DEF] - KC allowed 118 rushing yards (74 yds and 1TD to Monty)

W vs. Bucs [#7] - TB allowed 40 rushing yards (14 yds to Monty)

W vs. Chargers [#9] - LA allowed 200 rushing yards (116 yds and 1TD to Monty)

The Bears currently hold the second best defense against the run, allowing 3.2 YPC on average, and I think we will stuff the Lions run game and Monty.

That being said, Monty will still probably get a TD, Lions win, with Goff murdering us through the air. But ay 🤷‍♂️

Why didn’t Poles trade for a Center before the deadline ended? Random question but I think it could have helped the overall team.

Sh*t the Bills fired their OC and they were 5-5!

Have teams figured out how to stop Justin or has our coaching staff neutered him? That's the question? Let's go balls out!

A few weeks ago, you saw people saying he was a generational talent, that they would pick him (as a prospect coming out of college) over Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, John Elway, comparing his game to Patrick Mahomes. He has lost a few games this year but Jesus, his defense gives up 33 PPG, 420 yards of offense per game and they let people score 94% of the time in the redzone.

He has 119 total touchdowns over 3 years with only 13 ints. This year he is completing almost 70% of his passes. Are you guys genuinely concerned about his ability to play at the next level or is it just nit picking at this point?

Rather than trying to debate the relative merits of Justin Fields or Fields vs Bagent, I'd like to ask a question that should force people to assess Fields objectively... or at least from a marketplace standpoint: What do you honestly believe that the Chicago Bears could get in return for trading Justin Fields, either in terms of draft picks, players in return, or some combination of both? I believe this question could shed light on how people truly see his value to the team, as *if* people really see him as an elite player they should also believe that he would be able to command a massive treasure haul in return. If he is a bona fide generational talent he should be able to command players + high value picks in return.

And yes, I know that the trade deadline has passed, so imagine that this question is being asked during the next offseason or before the deadline. I'm not asking for an exact trade that could be executed today from a specific team, but rather what he should be able to command in the abstract sense.

Also, it's fair if you want to go back and time and note what he could have gotten in return in the past. It's fair for the Fields supporters to argue that his trade value was higher last offseason than this offseason.

Virtually every QB in the NFL is deviating from their career norms this season. Studs like Allen, Mahomes, Burrow (playing better recently) Lawrence, Hurts, Watson, etc all seem to be turning the ball over more. What do you think is causing this? Just more Defensive adjustments?

Nate Davis is on the mend and could be back this week. Teven has settled in the RG position in the last several weeks, rating out as one of the best in football. Justin is possibly ready to return to QB1 as well. Boys, we just might see what good ol’ Poles had in mind this offseason when he put this offense together in the first time. My question - what do you do with a fully healthy OL? Sit Whitehair, Patrick, Teven or Davis? Either way, I am excited to see what JF does behind the OL as intended.

I'm just stoking the flames

Bears are going to lose on Sunday and people are going to lose their minds blaming Fields. Some delusional meatheads will even be clamoring to put Bagent back in. But let's take a step back and look at the big picture.

• Bagent got two wins in four games against dogshit teams. The Lions are legit and are the best team the Bears have played since the Vikings, but more realistically since the Chiefs.

• Fields has been out for a month. Any player will have cobwebs after being out that long.

• The coaching staff is still dogshit, too. They will find a way to fuck it up in the second half. Or more realistically, they will do nothing different in the second half at which point the Lions will have the Bears completely figured out.

And for all the Caleb Williams stans out there, this is all you need to know to realize he's not the answer because any NFL defense is better than every NCAA defense. Just admit that JF1 has only played for HCs and OCs who don't deserve to coach at a JuCo. Every QB would suck ass under these coaches.

I’m getting so impatient with this guy.

Baegent is a backup

A rookie QB starting next year means our team is even worse

QB is the last problem this team has people. if you’re not supporting Justin Fields right now, you’re not supporting the Bears. Period. he is the quickest chance we have at success, and I do not want to start all over AGAIN with a rookie qb. and it’s just depressing to me that some of you actually want to go that route.

theres not one Bears fan that can say that Justin’s proved that he’s a backup or doesn’t deserve to be the starter currently. not one of you can say that he doesn’t still have an extremely high ceiling with all the talent hes showed.

this kids got seven games left, coming off the best two of his career before the injury. has he been perfect? of course not. but for all you haters, sit back and relax. if the man balls out, don’t say we didn’t tell you. dummies