The average person is conflict avoidant and terrible at negotiating. In general life, this is even a virtue. But it's bad for revolutions. Get more comfortable being stubborn, people
this post was submitted on 03 May 2024
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Thank God, it's finally a beneficial use for this personality trait of mine
ODD kids will lead the revolution
Tsarists, Russia 1917: "Hey, just delay the revolution a bit. We'll get better :("
Lenin: Nah. 
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An immediate vote might be a win. A months away vote is a defeat for the student movement here.
It also gives the opps more time to stage some shit which will compel the school to seize negotiations on grounds of “bad faith”
Full agree that if they had actually gotten a vote within the next week, that is an acceptable outcome.
This is horseshit and they're gonna fuck around and find out.
What amuses me the most is that libs would get mad if they saw this thread.
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Y'all don't understand how things work. Don't be naïve. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Etc etc fucking etc
y'all
I'm not one for inspecting people's language choices and I'm not even from the US, so I don't have a dog in this race... but goddamn, libs using y'all annoys me to no end
Edit: I should have been clearer here. There's lots of varieties of US English which use y'all and that's obviously natural, it's just that I've seen lots of wannabe DC staffer coastal lib types using it in a way that feels kinda condescending and annoying
It's a normal part of speech in like half of statesian dialects, including AAVE
Having grown up with it I honestly think it's weirder not to have a gender-neutral second-person pleural pronoun.
Yeah! What drives me nuts is that some libs like using it as a kind of folksy affectation, but I might be reading too much into it
I get ya, funny enough, I feel the same way about "folks". Maybe we just need to start saying "Comrade" publicly instead.
Maybe we just need to start saying "Comrade" publicly instead.
You should have seen the labour party conferences (televised) during Corbyn's party leadership.
Here's a supercut https://streamable.com/vbi0l4
I feel the same way about “folks,” ironically it kinda feels like the liberal version of “comrade” in that they both feel like cosplay
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y'all
I grew up in the in the SF Bay Area and at the time when I was a kid to me Marin county was the most "typical" place in California. By "typical" I mean liberal. That was a million years ago back then politics was purely adult stuff. Kids never bothered with and didn't give a crap about.
Now - many decades later - when I'm trying to get the voice right of the most liberal person possible - I try to imagine what a wine mom (Or a wine dad. A micro-brew beer dad?) in a house costing many millions would say on the net as she sipped a $300 wine. Of course - nobody in Marin is going to use y'all in speech. It's as foreign to them as talking to an actual leftist.
Y'all in rich white lib online usage is a patronizing "folksy" word to get the moronic hoi polloi to understand the realities of politics in the real world. Compromise must be the order of the day because blah blah blah blah blah...
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I error checked my humor format - haha. I haven't lived in California for decades. I wanted to see how rich Marin County actually is. Yeap - I'll keep my Marin country wine mom for reference.
10 Richest Counties in California (2023) | PropertyClub
- Santa Clara County
- San Mateo County
- Marin County
- San Francisco County
- Alameda County
- Contra Costa County
- Orange County
- Placer County
- Napa County
- Santa Cruz County
Y'all mad bro?
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A few months later:
The vote was rigged and nothing changed?? 
They'll hold the session after October 7 which will be full of Mossad propaganda pretty much everywhere. So they'll become more pro-israel after the vote.
I somehow entirely missed the obviousness of why the vote will be in mid or late October because I forgot the number seven.
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Damn these mfers got that ivy league education..
And they're about to find out what having an Ivy League education is all about.
It’s all about that DNC internship baby
(At the vote in 5 most months) That was an amazing speach sweaty, but unfortunately there's just nothing we can do, we just have to support genocide 
Come Octoberthey will get a seat on a committee preparing the vote. After eight months of deliberations a vote is held whether or not to endorse a petition to the board to divest from companies without a CSR policy. The vote will pass and the board will consider the petition but will ultimately reject it due to legal advice about their fiduciary responsibility for the endowment and the risk of antisemitism suits of a zionism-related company is divested from.
They will also announce very publicly that they will raise tuition to an unnecessarily absurd price, and they will emphasize that it was the pro Palestinian side that caused the DOD funding to stop. This causes most students to resent them, then they protest to reduce the tuition. The school will say “we thank the pro Palestine protestors for helping us be a more transparent and democratic institution. As a result, we have heard the recent concerns regarding tuition changes, and we have decided to reinstate our partnership with Israel to secure DOD funding and reduce tuition.”
They did this shit during BLM and Occupy and every other big protest during my lifetime. I know some of these people weren't really around for occupy, but surely they remember BLM
The curse of object permanence is a trait shared only by communists and the Haute Bourgeoisie.
Some people have thick skulls
students of brown university, you are the weakest link
Clown university
Never let the opposition delay elections.
Trueanon Rules Broken, prepare for consequences.
If these dumbasses get in a helicopter, stalin help them.
Not even an actual action but vote? Yeah they're cooked.
Lack of object permanence is a hell of a thing
Maybe the certain failure will spur some of them to radicalize, realizing the intent was only to dupe them
Maybe they will treat this failure like every other, as a problem of 'bad faith actors', not as a system working exactly as intended
They will unanimously vote to not divest.
more like Clown University
Oh yeah sure maybe we'll have a vote in october and what do ya know we decded to increase our holdings. Remember to 
October!?
Wow cool, maybe some Palestinian children might still be alive by October!
Our small org's current book is If We Burn, alongside the DSA national I believe. I'm hoping it gets pulled into the general western leftist consciousness so we can avoid some of these pitfalls. Can't afford to keep repeating the same mistakes every 10 years
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5 months later all the palestinians are dead
look at my activists dawg 💀
Carrots are vegetables.
admittedly, end of the school year means they only have so much leverage for so long. But this seems like a paper "win" just to make people feel better and send them home without getting arrested. I think this is the tactic most schools are using "oh well admin can't do this unilaterally we have to go to xyz board/committee with it" and then the students stand down with just a handshake promise that they'll propose it at the next meeting. On paper, it seems miles better than what they've ever gotten before (the lead organizers of these events have mostly all been involved before oct 7th and gotten used to being shut down and ignored,) and if they can get amnesty from reprisals/prosecution to boot...
Honestly I don't know what the right answer is though (this ain't it obviously, but still), they only have so much support, and the supporters are only willing to take so much risk, especially seems to be more of a thing at smaller schools with less eyes on them. Basically any city in the country has enough swat teams and riot cops they can call in to clear something like this unless mayyyybe if the group was very organized, militant, and dug in. The reason they don't is optics but the harder the students push, the easier it gets to just paint them as violent rioters or whatever and come in and mass arrest, which with how disciplined cops are would probably turn into another kent state. Just staying indefinitely doesn't work because kids leave for the summer, and once the numbers wane its a lot easier to just come in and sweep them.
#vote
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