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It's nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 48 minutes ago

Privatization in general doesn't need to be a disaster either as long as good rules are setup, allowing and pushing for competition.

Any core functions for a country (you know, water, electricity, internet) should be under much, much harsher rules to ensure people get good quality of whatever the service is

Internet, for example, is a shitshow in Canada. I'll get twice more for twice less in Mexico with less interruption. Yes, Rogers, you incompetent idiots, I'm looking at you. Telus isn't much better but at least slightly more competent on average

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

Unless it's for packages does anyone really need junk-mail delivery every day?

Most stuff has like a month for paying off statements and whatnot.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 hours ago

38% of people hate their communities, and want everyone but the wealthy to suffer for the crime of being poor.

A fair proportion of our population have been absolutely hoodwinked and brainwashed by the snake-oil promises of conservatism and capitalism, both of which serve only the wealthiest 1%.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The postal service in Denmark was opened in 1624.

It was privatized in 2009. It will shut down at the end of 2025.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago

Classic capitalism. Peak efficiency

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

38% of Canadians have obviously never used Purcolator, our last attempt at privatization.

And if you tried to use Purcolator and they couldn't find your house for pickup, that counts.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

"Purcolator" 😂

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Here in Ireland, the government postal service diversified and now also provides financial services to remain relevant and liquid. You can set up a current account with them, or withdraw cash through a post office if you already have an existing current account with another bank. I think An Post also allows you to buy bonds. They have also even entered mobile carrier service.

Other postal service in many parts of the world should follow the same model to remain relevant. These new additional and modernised services would be beneficial to serve remote communities not easily covered by mobile carriers, banking institutions and/or still rely on traditional mail service.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

That's a good service considering that around here, all the banks point of services are closing down and the only ATM left are the one charging 3-4$ per withdrawal, and I live in a populous city.

However, Postal Services shouldn't be profitable, just like any other governmental services. It should be a fucking service.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The Canada Post workers union has literally suggested some if not all of this.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Really? It is a shame that none of the suggestions are ever implemented.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Because there are private interests that wants to bleed Canada Post dry and fuck every Canadian over for more money.

[–] xzot746@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago

I am always amazed at how many people do not understand this. Phone companies right before they started becoming almost "essential", power companies, water/sanitation companies, healthcare "you know excluding eyes and teeth because they have nothing to do with healthcare" that they're pushing to privatize, etc etc. So why does anyone think that privatizing Canada Post will be any different, and sure as shit it will be some stupid Tech company that will just have another means to amass your information to sell.

Now don't get me wrong, there needs to be a change at Canada Post (and the CBC but that's another topic), but privatization is not the answer, and neither is the current way it's going. The person who mentioned how Ireland has adapted their postal service makes a valid point and it should be looked at.

Canadians will not be better served by privatization but some greedy asshole billionaire will, unless it gets bought by the employees.

Yes government organizations are rife with inefficiencies but it would be better to attempt to solve those problems.

I do not get a lot of useful mail from Canada Post, but that doesn't mean it isn't a valuable service for Canadians. There just needs to be less junk mail what a complete waste of resources, and why the hell do companies have the right to force their trash on me. Bet that gets better with privization /s

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Oh the US did that in WWII, it was apparently so good we won't ever try it again.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 78 points 1 day ago

Yeah fuck the idea of bringing in “gig” workers.

Using Gig workers is basically saying “at will employment isn’t shitty enough”

If you need staff employ them.

I’m fine with 3 day a week mail. Even 2 days a week. But I’ll have no part of that gig economy bullshit.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

38 percent should go fuck themselves!

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Reduce mail to 3 days a week.

TBH, if it avoids privatization and saves money, I'd be happy getting mail even once a week. Nothing we get by mail is so urgent that a few extra days will destroy lives.

In cases where something is needed urgently, there's courier, express mail, etc. as premium options. Regular "snail mail" isn't meant to be fast.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago

When public services are kneecapped to be worse than their private equivalent then people stop using them and then they turn private.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

UK enters the chat with mail delivery 2x a day

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Adding to the above, keep in mind that courier and express mail are useless if you live in small towns with distance to the nearest large city.

I've had express mail take longer to get to me than regular mail does simply because that's how the system is set up.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I'd have no problem if urban mail took a week, while resources were used to make sure that rural service was more timely. But I also don't know how much is spent on rural delivery vs. urban mail. I have a friend who works for Canada Post, maybe I should ask. LOL

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[–] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

38% of people are brain dead.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago

More like indoctrinated into self-harming beliefs. No one is born with an opinion or understanding on privatization. 🥹

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is worrying, even with the majority not wanting privatization.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

Yeah. An older report by Angus Reid from 2019 cited here says that about 60% did not support privatization. That would put privatization support at the time at 40-something, since the union would like to make the opposite number as large as possible. So there's perhaps some trend away from privatization.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Lately I think the number of low IQ people has increased from ~15% to 30%

Since COVID people have been significantly stupider.

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 8 points 1 day ago

I think it's also made much more apparent when that demographic that had no interest in computers were forced to be chronically online due to the lockdowns and quickly found the anti-vaxx groups, and suddenly felt like their opinion matters and that everyone is an expert if they do a little bit of "research".

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Canada is being heavily targeted by Cambridge Analytica (whatever they’re called now), now that they’ve achieved total domination in the US. Please be careful! It starts with facebook and talk radio and gets very bad very quickly.

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[–] MyMotherIsAHamster@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago

That's a terrible fucking idea.

[–] rowrowrowyourboat@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Isn't that about the same percentage that vote conservative every election?

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The original article contains some statistics by party, and yes, there is a correlation between voting Conservative and not wanting to fund Canada Post. Other correlations: rural people tend to support funding Canada Post, people who seldom or never receive mail tend not to. (The rural and Conservative tendencies are going to pull in opposite directions for a fair number of people.) I wouldn't be surprised to discover that there's also a correlation with income brackets, but they don't seem to have collected that information.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

In case anyone wants to see some of the breakdown.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Thereabouts but don't be fooled, this number is spread across parties. Undoubtedly heavily weighted towards the conservative parties but if there's a breakdown you'd probably see a non insignificant proportion in the other parties.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (7 children)
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[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

The union proposed hiring more people and spreading out their work across the week to cover all 7 days while giving everyone 5 days of full time work. Why was that option not part of the poll?

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

Because the managerial side isn't trying to negotiate in good faith.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

Majority support for non union gig workers? Allow me to present my middle finger you no solidarity having, short-sighted worthless fucks.

[–] NGnius@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Interesting, if a bit tangential, that 72% support reducing delivery frequency while Canada Post is trying to increase delivery frequency by doing weekend deliveries.

Personally, I don't understand how many things can be so urgent that it's profitable to deliver as frequently as possible. Surely a single specialised courier for critically fast deliveries (e.g. life saving medicine) would entirely saturate the market.

Such a dumb and badly run country.

Every TTC subway stop should have a post office in it. The TTC should be run 24hrs a day. You should be able to pick up your package at the post office within the TTC subway stop easily.

Post offices within the GTHA really should be walking distance for most people. Go pick your package up somewhere close by, open 24hrs.

Putting post offices in Shoppers Drug Mart isn't too bad, but it would be better if they where in 24hr donought shops.

We need to use community postal boxes more.

We need traffic cameras to automatically ticket couriers that block traffic.

We need to get ride of this 'independent contractor' nonsense. It's a scam.

But for this to happen the Fed/Prov/City and Crown Corps all need to work together...so it'll never happen.

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[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 0 points 15 hours ago

This survey is dumb. $20/year to maintain postal service how? Through a subscription to a private company or through income tax to support the current implementation?

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