100% guarantee that those who are proposing this will have some sort of exemptions for themselves and their oligarch friends.
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Who's the "our" in "our farms" referring to? 👀
A very good point.
…right , so only the family farms? Not any farm owned by a corporation, right?
I was thinking more like "farms collectively owned by the populace"...
Or, and hear me out here: We could pay people a competitive wage for their labor.
I understand the need for agricultural subsidies. The government inserts itself into the normal supply/demand process to protect the general public against a famine.
What I don't understand is why those subsidies don't seem to be flowing past the greedy hands of corporate farmers and into the pockets of farm laborers.
Actually I don't think it's that terrible for an idea, as long as things like food and accommodations are provided, and you can't get out of it by paying (e.g. pay someone to do it for you).
I'd like to see billionaires doing hard labor alongside ordinary people.
Nope. It’s slavery. They want to do a slavery.
And not even smart. Farming today is sonething you have to train at and want / need to do. Grab 100 people that have never farmed before and set them loose in a field to find out how quickly crops burn.
Real farmer here(who has never voted red). I don't trust the average American not to completely fuck up any harvest and not to bitch constantly about the heat or dirt. It's bad enough hearing people who work in AC complain about the heat to me.
I worked on an assembly line making CV joints. The inner and outer races had a numbering system based on measured size. The outer races were honed, and there would be size variations we would have to keep adjusting for. 4 inners go with 4 outers, 5 inners with 5 outers and so on. 4 was the most common.
One shift, on a Saturday, one of the workers used 4s for everything. Some were failing, inspection at the end of the line, but a lot didn't. Well, then the 4s ran out. Since that is the most common size, we were down. She intentionally ran us out of parts by building things wrong, potentially making scrap or defective drive train parts because she didn't want to work on Saturday.
Her job, that she applied for and took, knowing there are times when would have to work weekends. A job with a good union and Healthcare.
I can only imagine the kind of employees you'd get by forcing them to work the fields, for I'm going to guess way less than UAW wages. In the sun. I think you'd see a lot of sabotaged equipment or crops.
I spent my teens working on farms (labour intensive vegetables) and can confirm. Every spring we’d have a few crew from last year, and new ones; even in gorgeous spring weather people would last a couple days before quitting. And it’s not difficult, but it requires attention to detail, which some people either don’t have or don’t care to have.
Under this plan, would the farms be nationalized, or would people be forced to work for the profit of private farm owners?
You already know
Free labor.
Gavin McInnes even said teenagers should be primarily used for this. This will also be the case when you realize how much child labor laws are being removed by Republicans.
This is what MAO did during the cultural revolution. Intellectuals and ‘professionals’ got sent to work in the communes. Hard to believe that MAGAts are asking for commmnist policies, but then the Kirk thing has surprised me in terms of the policies they want now. Since Kirks policies are no longer acceptable?
Nationalized industry that always produces food at cost and pays all of its workers well and fairly would be a great idea so long as the people setting it up aren't completely untrustworthy fucks.
Oh wait
Make it so the farmer has to pay the median wage to anyone drafted like this.
I bet they'll shut up real fast.
Hell back in HS we got first shot at detasseling corn and deroguing beans. I lasted a day, some boys lasted a few. By the time they brought in the mexicans a week later, there would be maybe 2 of the scariest foodball players left, and they did make decent money by the end of their little stint.
Your average person is going to get heatstroke from this.
Do serious farmers even want inexperienced randos picking their precious harvest though? I guess it might depend on the crop, but a lot of vegetables and fruits need the proper handling, or they'll be ruined or at least second-rate.
There was some politician way back, can't remember who, was going on about getting convicted felons in prison to pick crops.
Yeah no.
And they and their rich friends will find a way to pay their way out of it
Great. We all say this about the service industry, too. So since farming is your life blood you think its hard and people need to understand.
By that logic, everyone should be drafted for many different vocations to gain perspective on other people's careers.
Edit: Also it seems she's implying that someone else will pay the wages if she wants a draft. She wouldn't have to rely on imported employees if she payed a living wage to begin with.
Everyone should have experienced working retail. That should reduce the amount of Karen's massively!
All "right wing" farmers parties are just agrarian socialists with racism and sexism.
So... Slavery with more steps?
Slavery, but with overweight incompetent people.
I arguably hate Maoism the most of all popular authoritarian left ideologies. So it makes sense to me that irredeemably evil and stupid conservatives and fascists would unconsciously like it's policies.
Make America Great Leap Forward Again
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess that Kelly is over 30?
/ owns a farm and doesn’t realize the logistics of training tens of thousands of new farm hands who do not want to be there every season.
As somebody that worked in a cornfield for minimum wage, it sucks. Your feet get heavy with mud, it's hot, the leaves give you "papercuts". One summer is enough to make you never want to do it again.
Bourgeois conservatives are obsessed with 20th century communism. The billionaire class has had its own vanguard since Prescott Bush. Steve Bannon calls himself a Leninist, though I'm not real sure what he means. The Republican obsession with culture war is influenced by Gramsci and his theory of hegemonic power. And the republican strategy of politically controlling cities through rural areas, as in "the country surrounds the city," is a component of Maoism.
Not saying there is an affinity between far right conservatives and communists, I don't believe that there is one. But 20th century communists' application of dialectical materialism uncovered new political dynamics through their work with the masses, and unfortunately the far right learned many of these lessons, though only as a way to gain power for themselves noy liberation for all; while democrats clung death like to liberal idealism and refused to learn anything from the left, since it is the dems job to oppose and keep power from us.
not the worst idea really; community or civil service would be better. especially outside the town you’re from.
my high school made everyone do 40 hours community service and the connections and friends I made then still stand today and I live thousands of miles away now
Forced labor is never a good idea. Best solution for the kids would be to coordinate with others and burn all the fields in conjunction. Would bring the country to its knees begging other countries for assistance with food. The government would likely collapse and give up on the forced labor as soon as possible.
"The slaves acted like terrorists."
It's not like they had a choice what country they were born in.
Honestly I'm all for it. It gives you some understanding how food is produced, gives you some contact with nature, maybe some physical exercise, some respect for farm workers, and such.
edit: after thinking about it, i'm NOT all for it. i'm against all forms of forced labor.
as long as the farms are publicly owned and there's no profit interest.
even then, it's basically slavery, or a framework for it. it'll quickly slide into "undesirables" being made to work there. then conditions will go to hell because who cares about those people, I want my produce.
while corporations get free labor win win for them!
1 Maoism
2 ???
3 wait 30 years
4 economy multiplies to 10000x it’s original size
I dunno, the math is pretty compelling
I totally would but I dont want to take a job away from those hardworking American farmers. They've fought too hard to win them back and would just be a shame to take them all away again.
This but for the police force.
Turn the police into something of a militia, 80% made of constituents from that jurisdiction, picked at random à la jury duty (exemptions apply)
*Squints harder*
Ah, slavery.
But schools place way too much emphasis on academic results. You can be the smartest man alive, but you'll still be paying the "school thicko" to fix your toilet.
LOL, MAGA Communists.
So... you want to bring back the WPA? I've been in favor of that idea since the 1990s. It should never have ended.