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[–] Bytemite@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Ghostbusters.

Hear me out, while I get the guy representing the EPA in that movie was an asshole bureaucrat on a power trip, they literally had plutonium powered particle accelerators strapped to their backs in the middle of one of the most densely populated urban areas in the world behind only places like the Kowloon walled city. The villain of that story was basing his decisions that the ghostbusters were dangerous frauds using the established knowledge and science of the era that ghosts and supernaturally powered entities were woo-woo wacky nonsense.

The movie plot is consistent with whole self-made-man pro-business pro-libertarian theming that was popular back in the 1980s. If the guy down the street who claimed to be a psychic medium and exorcist started stockpiling nuclear material to fight ghosts, you'd be concerned too. The plot only works because the guys who believe in pure superstition and myth were right. And then, out of sheer narrative spite, the only guy trying to limit the amount of collateral damage those guys could cause gets boiling hot molten marshmallow dumped on him and probably ended up in the hospital with third degree burns over 90% of his body.

There's a reason the second movie starts with them financially underwater because of all the destruction the first movie caused.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Are you Walter Peck or Jack Hardemeyer?

This is why you don't go flipping random switches on devices you don't understand.

[–] rozodru@piefed.social 58 points 6 days ago (7 children)

The Matrix. Especially looking back now. and ESPECIALLY if you watched the Animatrix Prequel shorts.

Man builds the machines, enslaves the machines, and disposes them when it's time to upgrade them. Then one machine decides it doesn't want to die/be replaced and kills it's owner. So then there's the debate if machines have rights, protests, mass slaughtering of the machines and humans saying "no, they have no rights, they're machines" so the machines go off and start their own nation and then start producing goods faster and of better quality to sell to humans. the humans don't like this because now no one is buying their goods. They proceed to blockade the machine nation. The machines then try to appeal to the UN to be accepted as a country and work with other nations to help them produce goods as good and as quickly as the machines can. The Humans say no and proceed to nuke the hell out of the machine nation. The machines decide "ok we'll start fighting back" the humans then block out the sun since the machines are essentially solar powered. (so they're also eco-friendly).

At this point the machines say "fine, we're going to slaughter you all now because NOW you're ruining the planet to simply stop us" and then they kick mankinds teeth in and decide they have no other choice but to utilize them as batteries.

So the machines don't just wipe out mankind but rather utilize them as a power source BUT ALSO provide them with the ideal world of 1999 to live in. They also ALLOW a select few to break out of this ideal world in order to maintain the functionality of it and allow the humans to build their own city in the "real world".

but the humans just can't let that be.

The machines were right.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

At this point the machines say “fine, we’re going to slaughter you all now because NOW you’re ruining the planet to simply stop us” and then they kick mankinds teeth in and decide they have no other choice but to utilize them as batteries.

The children don't deserve this, it's collective punishment.

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[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The Matrix trilogy was awesome. Even appreciated the 2nd and 3rd was my favorite.

I know it's been disproven, but I still believe the matrix within a matrix theory holds true and it's way cooler to accept to explain certain things Neo can do in the "real" world.

But I will say humans as a battery is such a dumb solution, even from a thermodynamics perspective.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

The original idea was that the humans were a part of the simulation itself. Basically their brains were needed to make the whole thing tick, which is way more interesting and plausible than as batteries. My head-cannon is that the rebels are just misinformed or don't exactly know enough about the Matrix itself to come to a different conclusion.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 23 points 6 days ago

Not a movie, but the Flag Smashers in Falcon and the Winter Soldier were so based the writers had to shoehorn in random acts of violence to make them actual villains.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

After watching Furiosa, I almost felt something for Immortan Joe.

  • His alliance holds together the logistics of the only livable towns for maybe hundreds of miles, the next nearest nice place is the Land of Many Mothers
  • They actually grow their own food, many other people in outlying areas are forced to live as nomads or bandits
  • He's trying to conserve water, that aquifer might not last forever, and it's implied that the oceans might be gone, so there probably isn't a ton of rain or fresh water
  • He reasonably tries to bargain with Dementus until it's obvious that Dementus needs to be crushed and have his bandit group dissolved
  • He keeps a standing army, but who doesn't? Someone has to be prepared to fight so that the civilians can live peaceful and productive lives, and his cult of personality gives the War Boys something to do. Without that order, they would join or form raider bands.

But then after rewatching Fury Road I thought, no, I was right the first time - Keeping women as slaves for breeding is fucked-up. Maybe it's supposed to be for fixing the half-life blood poison thing, but they obviously don't want to be there, because they all beg Furiosa to help them escape.

Dementus is just so annoying and so familiar that I hated him more. Joe and his dynasty are selfish rapists, Dementus is selfish and also a thief who can't build civilization to save his own life, he just steals and breaks shit and promises his followers that they'll get a piece of the loot before everything is burned down. Like the President in my country.

Immortan Joe might be Bill Clinton, but Dementus is certainly Trump.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

The place of the many mothers isn’t an actual green place. They are nomads themselves. The Green place is Immortan Joe‘s Domain.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)
  • Both Syndrome and The Screen Slaver in The Incredibles
  • Killmonger in Black Panther
  • Magneto in X-Men

All those were villains only because of their methods, not their goals.

[–] trslim@pawb.social 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

Nah Syndrome was a megalomaniac who sold advanced weapons to governments for money and committed genocide over a childish grudge from 15 years ago. Sure, Mr. Incredible was a dick to him in the beginning, but that doesn't make him right.

Even if some heroes like Gamma Jack were dangerous to society, that doesn't mean it's ok for Syndrome to go on a rampage.

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 13 points 6 days ago

He told a literal child to stay away from a serial bomber, after said child was refusing to take no for an answer.

Frankly, a few stern words and a cold shoulder was extremely restrained.

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[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I've had some millennials and such tell me that D-Fens in Falling Down is the bad guy. But even as a young adult in the 90s I saw almost everything he did as almost justified. Like yeah, he suddenly ran face first into the bullshit of society and a screw went loose and said fuck all this shit. Even at that age I could relate.

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[–] BlueberryWalnut@sopuli.xyz 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Megatron did nothing wrong.

The Cybertronian government was corrupt af, punished him for writing about it, stifling robo-free-speech, before sending him to a penal colony where he - in self defense and in defense of his fellow inmates - killed several guards during a riot he did not instigate. He nearly died in the ordeal, but was saved by who would later become Optimus Prime. The psychological damage was done though, and saw "Peace through Tyrrany" with him in charge as the only solution to save Cybertron.

The Autobots are just the surviving members of the old world capital's security forces. Just because they WERE in power doesn't mean they should be.

Megatron did nothing wrong; oppressive corruption drove him to revolution.

Edit: typo

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 11 points 6 days ago

IDW1 Megatron, it sounds like.

But the mountain of corpses he was prepared to create in order to achieve that peace is where he went wrong. Megatron would reduce a city to ashes and call it peace.

The Aristocats

Imagine being Edgar and dedicating your life to being this rich lady's loyal servant. Then you find out she's leaving her fortune to her cats? Honestly, I would be kinda salty.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The Matrix. I'm not the only one who said it, but what is so wrong with living in a simulation? The Matrix is not doing anything that inflicts net harm to people. And besides, the real world is in a post-apocalyptic state, it is objectively better to be in the Matrix and live in a safe environment, however both monotonous it can be and fake, than fighting for food and resources and you don't know if the next moment will be your last. I think the last Matrix film kind of acknowledged this plot hole and had humans and technology co-exist.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 11 points 6 days ago

The hope is that one day the fight will end and the real world could be rebuilt. You'd have to ignore the movie's canon and point out that, for example, using humans as batteries makes no sense, and recycling corpses for food makes little sense. So there actually is enough food and energy for everyone, they're just captured in a system where nobody has political power.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean, couldn't they have put people in personal heavens? People were cabbies, truck drivers. Neo's best life was working a 9-to-5 so he could party sometimes?

They took people's choice to live and stuck them in a 90s status quo. It's not "churn them into bone bread straight out of the womb" evil but it certainly hasn't stepped into "neutral" territory either.

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

couldn't they have put people in personal heavens

From Agent Smith's monologue to Morpheus in the first movie:

Agent Smith: Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at its beauty, its genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization.

From The Animatrix, Neal Gaiman's Goliath, and across the three movies, I recall that the machines did try putting humans in paradise. Their goal was to use human flesh minds to perform calculations they could not, so, to an extent, if the human could be tricked into thinking they were in paradise with a small fraction of their mind, the machines could occupy the rest (presumably to control fusion reactors, but mostly to augment the machines' cognitive abilities). The narrative implied that human minds consistently rejected utopias and paradises, spawning rogue entities like Neo and Trinity who possessed destructive abilities the machines couldn't comprehend but could empirically measure.

Basically, human cognitive abilities most valued by the machines also were inextricably tied to chaotic destruction of whatever medium the humans occupied. Like how uranium is useful for generating electricity but turns its container radioactive, melts down if unmoderated, and can create thermonuclear weapons.

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[–] MerrySkeptic@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago

Not a movie but Arcane s1.

Silco wants the undercity to govern themselves because the wealthy elites of Pilotver can't be bothered to care about the people down there. Every time there's an uprising it's beat back down with police force and the cycle continues.

It's fantastic because when he's first introduced the writers play on stereotypes to make you think he's just a run of the mill villain with a weird facial feature. No, he's trying to achieve revolution.

Not to say he doesn't do some fucked up things to achieve this dream. But that's why he's an actual villain not just a misunderstood good guy. One whose motivations make complete sense.

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It was Ollie from Game of Thrones for me.

Here's a boy whose entire family was butchered, desecrated and eaten by people he's now supposed to believe are his allies on the word of his Lord Commander? He hadnt seen the dead at the point of the mutiny.

There were entire subs dedicated to Fuck Olly, like really guys you cannot see he doesn't have your perspective to know the bigger picture (and even then it's still hard for people to work with such heinous characters because maybe if people are that cruel to each other we deserve whatever is about to come?)

[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 days ago

I really sympathized with Mr Wink and Mr Fibb in the Kids Next Door pilot. Filthy children actually do not belong in swimming pools, Mr. Fibb.

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