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[–] C1pher@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

True and its all because of Danish push towards chat control.

[–] sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.ch 10 points 1 day ago

True. But the (by far) biggest threat are not the russians that are failing to defeat the ukrainians for years now.
It's the rise of authoritharianism (sometimes even facism) all over the world, which happens with the silent support of european governments, as they decide not to ban those parties in their own countries.

The USA are transforming into Gilead before our eyes, and instead of protecting us from those that want this in europe too, our governments point their fingers to russia and scream SCARY!

WW3 will not be fought by russia alone. It will be fought by far-right governments all over the world joining in to show off their own superiority and conquer resources at the same time.

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's not like their council presidency is actively contributing to it with Chat Control...

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That would be a gift on a golden platter to Russia and China, just to mention two.

[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

Isn't Chat Control where they use AI to scan all your online/mobile communications for CSAM? How is that a gift to Russia and China?

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

And the AFD in Germany.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

I don't know if I trust the same government that proposed Chat Control in their opinions of things.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

Nothing about chat control? They are so out of touch in this article

[–] Damage@feddit.it 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Which isn't saying much as WWII was very fucking dangerous

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well it is saying that it's more dangerous than the entire Cold War

[–] plyth@feddit.org -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Some people argue that USSR collapsed because USA forced them into an arms race. If they only reacted then the West was in control and the threat to the West was only theoretical.

The current war will lead to one side losing if they don't escalate. If no side is willing to lose then this war must escalate at one point.

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The US didn't force them into the arms race, russia itself was more than willing to invest that resources to project a sense of strength. They just couldn't compete economically and ruined themselves with it

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The graph above "United States and Soviet Union/Russia nuclear weapon stockpiles", doesn't that look like a reaction of the USSR?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_arms_race

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And the fact, that the US had a huge headstart doesn't come to your mind? That, by the time the soviets had their first one the US had already understood the system and could develop it further faster? The soviets only gained the bomb through espionage, so even after they had it, they needed more time to reach a level of capability, comparable to the US before they could start ramping up their production.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

That explains why the USSR couldn't react faster. It doesn't explain why the US built so many bombs.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Soviets and their satellite states produced more tanks than cars. So, that shows where the actual priorities of the USSR were.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hyperbole or fact?

Before its dissolution, the Soviet Union produced 2.1-2.3 million units per year of all types

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_the_Soviet_Union

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I can't find the source on Britannica, but it did mention that. I admit it could have been a misinformation or misunderstanding on my part about more tanks produced than cars.

In the Wikipedia link you provided, it does mention that you have to wait for years to buy and own a car. That implies not many cars are actually available for many citizens despite the demand. There is a discussion about it on Quora https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-Russians-during-Soviet-times-had-to-wait-10-years-for-a-car

[–] kossa@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That implies not many cars are actually available for many citizens despite the demand.

Well, don't quote me on that, but I am pretty sure that the average soviet citizen couldn't get a tank neither. In fact, it still was propably easier for them to get their hands on a car than on a tank.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 1 points 2 days ago

A country could be producing millions of tanks and zero cars, it still doesn't make tanks something the general public would buy. I don't know the truth of this cars vs tanks discussion, but this specific argument definitely doesn't hold up

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The USSR was not a consumer paradise. But as long as public transport works, not having a car is acceptable. The important part is that we shouldn't remember the USSR as a military dystopia as the initial relations could have suggested.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I can see where Soviets are coming from, but not owning a car if you live in rural is impractical.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

I don't know the reality but they had those big industrial farms. So public transport could have been possible.

[–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Dugin must be the happiest motherfucker in Russia right now.