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[–] SARGE@startrek.website 290 points 1 week ago (11 children)

"A great American city is on the precipice of being run by a communist who has publicly embraced a terroristic ideology,”

I'd love for reporters to start pushing politicians when they say dumb shit. Don't just let them say it and then gawk at the camera like you're Jim from the office or move on with questions.

"in what way are you concluding that Mr. Mamdani is a communist? Are you aware of the difference between communism and socialism, and could you explain how he is a communist?"

"what terrorist ideology? waits for answer In what way is this the ideology of a terrorist?"

Show that they have no idea what the words they spew mean. Show that they're just using buzzwords that sound scary.

And then give the facts.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 134 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Too often they treat what these people say as if it the news itself. Unbiased, and a source of truth. Reporting has just become gossip repeating the worse people say.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 88 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This really is a big problem, "look at what this person said" type stories are basically how Donald Trump Rose to power, his words quoted as if they were the news itself, without any sort of filtering to fact checking. If he had simply been reported as lying without repeating the LIE his power would be significantly reduced

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You hit the nail on the head. It's insanely frustrating.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 week ago

It's beyond frustrating, they are complicit in the evil that's taking place

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[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 24 points 1 week ago

It's a consequence of access journalism. And the false notion that neutrality is possible. The grain of wood is biased. The proteins that make up our body and its biological functions fold in a biased way. The fundamental particles and fields of the universe have biases too.

There is nothing wrong with bias as long as it is biased in favor of the truth. Performative neutrality, presenting two positions weakly/lazily as equally plausible. It has no value. If we lived in a society where individuals not only had the time, but desire to independently research everything for themselves as well. This wouldn't be such a problem. But we don't.

People read reporting and articles to be informed. When the reporting doesn't present anything definitive other than party A said one thing and party B said another thing. Then the reader simply chooses the one they prefer. Regardless of the facts.

[–] adj@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

Totally agree. Way too many stories are about the quote itself.

Person says subjective or demonstrably true or untrue objective thing

vs

Demonstrably true objective thing (with person substantiating)

[–] BlueZen@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (4 children)

if only....

i don't really ever watch news anymore, but when I did I would scream at the television, "ASK A FUCKING FOLLOW-UP QUESTION"

I don't know what is being taught as journalism anymore but it seems to be just take the statement, get the sound bite, and think up a clickbaitable title.

[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 25 points 1 week ago

"wow, this politician is saying batshit crazy things. This will earn me a lot of clicks. Gotta release the article before the other news sites do. I'll use AI to write it up."

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[–] recentSlinky@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago

It's telling enough when you see fox segments that were supposedly made to demonize him and it's things like "free child care for all, fare taxes for all, fare wages based on labor".

I think they're so up their asses that they completely forgot how regular people even think. Many of their attacks were basically advertising for his campaign lol.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

US "journalists" are almost universally paid shills from one of 3 companies, who are directed to never challenge their interviewee.

The reason is because they're threatened with never getting the earliest scoop, and thus the most clicks, if their interviewee feels challenged.

The White House & Pentagon set this standard perhaps most sternly after 9/11, and its only ever gotten worse.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

And then give the facts.

The problem is that even facts are even subjective for these people. It's always been that way.

I remember that after 9/11 I had a coworker who was convinced the problem was with Islam itself. "I've read their book", he would explain to everyone who was within earshot, "They want to kill all the infidels. Their religion is incompatible with our country". He held that as a fact, just as sure as the fact that the sun sets in the west, and that God gave him the right to bear arms.

To many people in this country, Muslim = Terrorist, no further questions asked. You can't argue with that. Not because they are right, but you literally can't argue with someone who thinks God gave them those incorrect facts.

[–] 51dusty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

idk....all those questions give them too much information about the potential disanswer. I think they should just say, "do you have any evidence to support the claim you just made?"

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[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 165 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Every single Dem politician should be screaming about this at the top of their lungs. This is a direct threat to them as well, but they're not gonna do it.

Why?

Because AIPAC and their billionaire donors are telling them to stand down.

Establishment Dems put more effort into resisting Mamdani than they put into resisting Trump since 2016.

[–] TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Can you share some source for this aipac claim? I mean, fuck aipac, but I just want to make sure we don’t go down the shouting about the evil Jewish billionaires controlling everything route.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There's no "source", AIPAC deals directly with politicians and those discussions are not public. But we know that AIPAC gives lots of money to Democrats to the point that they can and have dictated policy, and we know that AIPAC's spokesperson has been on national news shows specifically to fearmonger about Mamdani. Most direct source here is gonna be using your noggin.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

AIPAC's spokesperson has been on national news shows specifically to fearmonger about Mamdani

Wouldn't this be a source?

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[–] IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Democrats are obsessed with Israel. This ain't hard evidence, but it's telling

https://youtu.be/Ms8tGyopFrQ

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is an interesting question and I didn't have an immediate answer. Let me start off by pointing out that many many Jews in the US are horrified at the genocide in Gaza and do not want to be associated with AIPAC at all. The Jewish community in the US seems to be engaging in very serious internal debate on the topic (https://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/daughter-defense-apartheid/).

AIPAC itself doesn't seem to have any direct statements about Mandami at all. They do make the dubious claim that there "are more than 6 million pro-Israel Americans" (https://www.aipac.org/). Since there are an estimated 7.1 to 7.7 million Jews in the US (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews) they claim to represent the vast majority of Jews in the US.

I'm guessing that OP is referring to a sermon by Rabbi Elliot Cosgrove (https://pasyn.org/sermons/2025/on-the-record/). I can't find any statements on if he is or is not an official member of AIPAC but he is generally described as a very conservative by various Jewish publications. Jonathan Shulman then encouraged rabbis across the country to sign the letter. (https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-873068). He left AIPAC after 18 years because "the group's brand was becoming increasingly toxic amid the war in Gaza." As of Friday, over 1,000 rabbis have signed (https://jewishmajority.org/a-rabbinic-call-to-action).

My read on this is that AIPAC is now known to be bad marketing and it's already getting rebranded; the people behind it will just regroup under a new name. While they didn't claim responsibility for the letter, their supporters created and spread it.

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[–] DNS@discuss.online 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Brother in Christ, Democrats have been controlled opposition for quite some time. It wasn't until Bernie, AOC, Mamdani, and others of their class that began to stand out from the Establishment. With Citizens United, there isn't much of a difference in terms of which party sucks Corporate dick.

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 14 points 1 week ago

Dude literally said they spent more trying to fight him than they would be taxed. It really is just a dick measuring contest with rich people. They do not take risk assessment seriously.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

They are the same group of billionaires. Just with different T-shirts to perform for the poor

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 89 points 1 week ago

Translation: "The GOP really can't afford for democratic socialism to spread throughout the country. We will be labeled as criminals, called evil, jailed as terrorists and violaters of human rights. The wealthy will be less wealthy. The poorest will have more needs net. This is unacceptable!"

[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 83 points 1 week ago (2 children)

With the squawking of the Rs, and the deafening silence from the Ds not pushing back and making this a talking point, every establishment figure is scared of this guy.

Good.

[–] jtj4135@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The establishment Democrats might have signed their own death sentence by attacking Zohran Mamdani

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[–] henfredemars 76 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

“If Mamdani lied on his naturalisation documents, he doesn’t get to be a citizen, and he certainly doesn’t get to run for mayor of New York City. A great American city is on the precipice of being run by a communist who has publicly embraced a terroristic ideology,” Representative Andy Ogles from the Republican party said in an October 29 news release, after asking US Attorney General Pam Bondi to investigate Mamdani.

Andy Ogles you are pathetic. Have you considered calling him a poopoo head?

Republican.

Ah!

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Will they apply this same standard to the first lady and her anchor child?

[–] 51dusty@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

or to Musk? it is a fact he lied on his naturalization documents regarding his studies and employment. nothing will be done.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Nazis did that to the Jews. First they'd torment them (check), then they'd strip them of their citizenship (almost there), then they'd "deport" them to camps (we got those, so check), then they'd exterminate them with Zyklon B (we're not there yet, but soon).

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

then they’d exterminate them with Zyklon B (we’re not there yet, but soon).

How are we going to find out?

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Assuming Mamdani is a commie and a radical islamist, he made no attempt to hide it - as evidenced by the fact that the very fascists who want to strip him of his citizenship are themselves aware of it.

This naturally leads to the following question: what do the fascists make of the fact that a majority New Yorkers voted for him, thereby indicated that they WANT a communist islamist running their city?

Are the fascists implying that most New Yorkers are fucking morons who can't see a dangerous individual when they see one, or that a majority of New Yorkers should be either deported or thrown in the slammer for communist tendencies and terrorism?

What the fascists fail to realize is that they're spitting in the face of several million people and insulting their intelligence, and that sure as hell won't earn them any good will.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago

A lot of kentuckians thought they had a right to vote for mayor of New York and governor of Virginia

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Trump lost NYC 1:5 in 2024

So

Are the fascists implying that most New Yorkers are fucking morons who can't see a dangerous individual when they see one, or that a majority of New Yorkers should be either deported or thrown in the slammer for communist tendencies and terrorism?

Por que no los dos?

I mean, four out of five NYC voters could clearly recognize a dangerous individual when they see one, as evidenced by the results. But Trump et al live in bizarroland where they are innocent.

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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm actually surprised there was no widespread attempt to claim Kamala Harris wasn't a citizen like there was with Obama

[–] chocrates@piefed.world 23 points 1 week ago

They were still campaigning against Biden. No doubt that would have come up if we had a 2 year campaign for her

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 week ago

New York is a ~~Democratic HELLHOLE full of DISASTER that NEEDS ICE to Set it Straight!~~ Great American City!

[–] Leonyx@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 1 week ago

Ogles cited rap lyrics Mamdani wrote in 2017 supporting the “Holy Land Five”, a reference to five men in the Holy Land Foundation, a Muslim charity, convicted in 2008 of providing material support to the Palestinian group Hamas. Some lawyers have criticised the case’s evidence and use of hearsay.

They are so going to be glued to that and will spin antisemetism so hard.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Ogles cited rap lyrics Mamdani wrote in 2017 supporting the “Holy Land Five”, a reference to five men in the Holy Land Foundation, a Muslim charity, convicted in 2008 of providing material support to the Palestinian group Hamas. Some lawyers have criticised the case’s evidence and use of hearsay.

I heard Mamdani killed Darnell Simons

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[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 11 points 1 week ago

Well, go on then. Don't worry, I'm sure there won't be any backlash for that at all...

[–] Nunar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can't tell if they're high, or just really, really stupid.

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[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Can they actually do that?? Someone please advise.

[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's a hidden division in your question, whether intentional or not. "Can" they do that. Do you mean "are they legally allowed to do that", or "do they have the power to do that"?
In the former, no. In the later, possibly, yes.

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It really doesn't matter with this administration. They have shown time and time again that the old adage of "better to ask for forgiveness than permission" unfortunately works pretty effectively. Ffs the turd is adjudicated guilty of fucking rape... FUCKING RAPE and is very likely a pedo to boot, and a third of the country voted for him!

If you're born lucky, you live your life without consequences. There is no just god, smoke crack and worship no one.

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