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[–] BorisBoreUs@lemmy.world 2 points 18 minutes ago

I support teaching all kids what it takes to exist, regardless of gender.

I just popped in to say that back in the long ago, in my family, only so much help cleaning up was tolerated from men-folk before they were exiled to football on TV so the women could sit at the kitchen table and talk. Trying to assist in cooking was nearly impossible by anyone who wasn't my grandmother or the aunts that had been cleared for assistance.

I was taught to cook and clean by these same people, but it was clear that at big family meals like Thanksgiving that most of us were in the way if we tried to assist.

I guess what I'm saying is, for sure teach everyone all of it, but big meals might not be the best time. (depending on size of family and a variety of other factors).

At least clear your plate to the sink! :)

[–] stopforgettingit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago)

For those who are talking about how this didn't happen in your household growing up, please remember you are 1, at best 2 generations removed from full on enforcement of gender roles suppressing things like this, may times physically enforced. So yea, maybe your dad was the one who baked the turkey or did the dishes, but you can be damn sure his dad didn't.

[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 1 points 34 minutes ago

So grateful to my mom for doing this with me

My son's a little young to help in the kitchen, but my wife can relax and play with him while my mom and I cook =)

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 3 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)

My daughter has been a helper since she was 2. We encouraged it despite the very obvious frustration and now we have a somewhat competent helper years later.

For anyone unaware how frustrating it can be. Watch the Omelette episode of Bluey...

She was expected to do chores as soon as we believed her capable. That included bringing her dirty laundry to the laundry room. Putting dirty clothes away. Cleaning plates before putting in the dishwasher.

[–] rustyj@lemmy.world 3 points 33 minutes ago (1 children)

Oh man, my wife HATES the omelette episode, it's too real for her. I tend to do better with the kids when we cook together, but it's also down to the projects I pick. Making pasta from scratch is messy, fun, and you can be imprecise. Baking (her specialty) is not so forgiving.

Chores, I think, are easier to teach but harder to enforce.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 1 points 9 minutes ago

Oof I feel her pain. Baking with children is rough

I try to do a lot of mise en place before the kids know I am cooking anything. I would put them all the ingredients for all states in pre measured and put into easy to pour containers. Often I'd make 1.5x the dough so I could cut off 1/3 and that's the kids bread - no matter how bad it is - I've still got the rest.

[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

Do people not normally involve their kids in this sort of thing equally?

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 11 points 1 hour ago

Growing up, no.

Will my potential kids be sharing the work equally? Definitely. I always got into so much trouble for asking why I had to do housework and my brother didn't.

[–] Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago

I hadn't realised quite how different the female upbringing experience was to the male one until I talked about it with my partner. Quite different it turns out. We're both about 40, and from Ireland, and she was absolutely expected to do shit like this when the men weren't.

Event today some of her siblings families are heavily heavily sexist.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 1 hour ago

My mom involved my brother. I took the opportunity to play video games all day.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 hours ago

My uncle usually cooks at our family thanksgiving, and it's always really goddamn good

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 49 minutes ago

I dunno... Did women kill the Indians to take this land?

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Because boys don't turn into chefs, huh.

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

As a child we always did the girls cook and boys clean method, which isn't as bad as it could be, but still leaves a lot to be desired. Instilled that boys need to be part of the work, but needlessly gender divided the work anyway 😐

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I like the “who cooks does not clean” and vice-versa idea. Can just change who does what every so often. Plus it can be a great opportunity to show that you have to consider your impact on other people(don’t create a massive pile of work for them where it can be helped).

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

That was it for us but realistically it was more A generational thing. Especially after divorces and stuff - all the aunts didn’t cooking, my uncle and my brothers and I did the setup/cleanup.

At one point they tried to get us do the cooking but I’m sorry but I’m flying in late the night before or early the morning of: that’s up to the locals. I can stop at the store to buy wine or something but cooking isn’t a realistic choice

But when we do Thanksgiving locally: if it’s my house I do most of it and my ex brings a couple sides. If it’s her house then vice versa

[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 24 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Overheard a conversation a few years back where a group of guys were talking about how they didn't know how to cook or do laundry because that was woman's work and how they expected their mothers and / or wives to do that for them. It was so pathetic how proud they were that they could not take care of themselves.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Weird. Imagine thinking like that. How old were they?

[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

If I were to guess, I would say early 30s.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 1 points 49 minutes ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

60? 20? Does it matter?

It's an entire culture that hasn't gone away.

My father is 65 and could not cook a Kraft dinner to save his own life. Forget laundry. His son (my brother) believes the same. Whenever he is single his apartment goes uncleaned, he exclusively eats take out, and his clothes are barely laundered.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 15 points 4 hours ago

All the uncles on my wives side of the family are so useless at Thanksgiving. They don't cook, clean, clear their plate or even make their own plate. Its one of the most infuriating thing I have ever seen.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Carving up the turkey is a manly job, just keep those knives sharp

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Sharpness doesn’t matter: more power! Break out the electric carving knife

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 51 minutes ago
[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 82 points 7 hours ago (10 children)

And don't forget to teach all the kids how to fix an electrical socket, change a tire, build a computer.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

This. So much this. And I want to break it down a bit and give my own experiences.

Years ago, I was teaching my then-girlfriend how to change her oil. We were broke 20-somethings, so paying for a place to do it was a costly option. She was kinda "meh" on the idea but went with it. The moment she really got into it, though, was when a random guy walked by and was so happy seeing a woman learning how to take care of cars and how he wished his girl would learn that. She got a sense of pride from it, and afterwards, when she realised she did it herself and saved a bunch of money... she was very proud of herself. Rightfully so.

A (former) friend of mine had bought her first house just a couple of years ago. (Kinda wish she hadn't because the house is in rough shape, but then again, the rental market is maybe in a worse shape... only time will tell). Anywho, I visit her, and she shows me the house. Not a single smoke detector anywhere in the house. No fire extinguishers anywhere. And in the living room, there was this fancy light fixture that was controlled by a dimmer switch... that was extremely hot. I think it was 6-8 bulbs (don't recall) and each was 120w incandescent lightbulb... all through a dimmer. Unsure when the previous owner did that, but that's a decent way to eventually cause a fire. The dimmer switch was literally hot to the touch. She knew it was hot, but didn't really think anything of it. I took us to Home Depot/Menards/Fleet Farm (I don't recall which exactly) and bought her a bunch of smoke detectors, extinguishers, and a new dimmer switch, which I installed, and we removed half the bulbs. Believe I also gave her a GFCI tester and told her to test every receptacle in the house.

Back in high school, I took a small engines course because I wanted to better know how engines really worked outside of a book. My station partner was a girl I knew (who lived a few houses down from me). One day I realised I was hogging everything (teardown and rebuild) and apologised and pushed everything to her. She pushed it back, said her brothers would do anything she ever needed, and she just wanted an easy course. (While this is not important to the story, it was a very unattractive move on her part, which did alter how I saw her, which, a few years later, when she asked me out, I rejected her.) Another course I took, which was an intro to welding, there was a girl who thought I'd do her work for her. I took to acetylene welding right away, which seemed to be the hardest for everyone else (hence why she picked me). Instead, I told her I'd help teach her, which she took me up on. The unbridled joy and pride when she got an A on her welding test... (a memory that leaves with me).

Final story, I was in college, and my roommate was a loser. He had no fucking idea how to cook. He tried to make Mac and Cheese once and didn't know how to boil water. He had no idea how the washer/dryer worked. His mom asked if I'd teach him. And I did try, but he had no plans to learn; he'd rather drive the 2-3 hours back home to make his mom do his laundry. Or if he couldn't make it that week, he'd just buy new clothes.

All kids should be taught all sorts of basic skills. And frankly, a bunch of adults could stand to learn things too. Example, do you know what an anode rod is? If not, I'm guessing you've been skipping out on maintenance. Do you know if your heater is gas/electric? And which one has a pilot light? Do you have a spare tire? Where is it? Have you ever used the jack on your car before? What are jumper cables and do you have some? How do they work and how do you use them correctly? Every adult should be able to answer all these questions and more.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's why before any children visit my house, I take all of the sockets out of the walls and leave the bare wires dangling from the receptacle. You want to charge your phone? Take this outlet and screwdriver. Oh, got a bit fried? Lesson one: check the breaker before doing electrical work, idiot.

The survivors go directly to trade school.

[–] HowAbt2day@futurology.today 9 points 4 hours ago

And place the hungry chihuahua in front of the circuit breaker. That way they learn to tame a dog and find the right switch. #twofer

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Genuinely good advice.

I was on a trip with my partner (I am female, partner is male), and when we got off the train to go home, we had a flat tire.

He is not handy at all, and got super flustered and frustrated and was going to call AAA, and I was like umm.. you have a spare in here, right? Time to learn how to change a tire! Pop that trunk!

And so I made him do it, and walked him through how, and now he knows for next time, yay! I’ve also fixed his dishwasher, patched drywall, several other plumbing things, etc. only thing I wont touch for someone else is electric. I wont even do my own unless its a plug-in thing.

He, in turn, helped me with building my computer and doing various software stuff I could probably do on my own but didn’t know how.

So even if those skills aren’t super useful for you directly, you can and will use them with other people and you can pass on the knowledge. I mean I learned to change a tire as a very young adult, from an off-duty cop who stopped to help on the side of the highway. I knew the basics, but he showed me the full process. And since then I’ve taught two others, but haven’t needed it for myself.

[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

My rule (and one from a buddy at work) is that in order to be allowed to drive alone my kids are going to be expected to explain to me how to change a tire, check basic fluids, and replace a headlamp/brakelamp.

I don't care if they are physically capable of doing it (they are pretty petite girls and some people torque the hell out of lugbolts/nuts) but in case they ever require help from someone, they should be able to recognize if it is correctly done, or if the person is acting shady.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago

A similar thing happened with me and my sister. We were riding with our then boyfriends somewhere and got a flat. Niether of the guys knew how to change it. Both my sister and I did. It was late, and a cop stopped to check on us, a lady cop, she laughed when we told her what was going on, taught both of them right then and there how to change the tire.

I also helped a younger girl change her tire for her in a parking lot, she was really greatful she didn't have to call her dad.

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 11 points 5 hours ago

I love this approach. Learn so, if nothing else, you can teach others.

One of my first boyfriends showed me how to build a computer, he walked me through how to pick parts and check features, but I decided what to buy. When I had everything he showed me how to put it together and get it working.

Ten years later a different boyfriend's laptop conked out. I got him his own set of tools and said "Time to learn how a computer works."

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[–] ISuperabound@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

My guess this is a so called “traditional” family, and this woman is trying to bring her family up to date with the 1960s.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

You don't help cook you don't eat.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 49 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Dad taught us that there is no such thing as women's work ..... there's just work.

Once you live on your own or in a space without women, you quickly realize how no one cares who does the dishes, washes your clothes or mops your floor.

Unless of course you want to live like a wild animal.

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[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 76 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Jokes on you lady, I only have sons, so boys do every chore.

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 30 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Jokes on you lady, Thanksgiving isn't for another 320 days, 12 hours, and 50 minutes 😤

[–] justlemmyin@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Jokes on you lady, what's thanksgiving?

[–] anzo@programming.dev 3 points 2 hours ago

The rest of the world may call it friendsgiving and celebrate it anyway ;)

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago
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