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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 91 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Trump also ordered a few coup attempts that we'll learn about soon enough.

People need to stop acting like he was "at least good in terms of foreign policy."

They never are.

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

few coup attempts

Off the top of my head... Venezuela, Cuba, Hong Kong? I'm sure there are more.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

Right, I forgot about that one hide-and-seek

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I just assume the CIA brings any president paperwork for this kind of stuff and says “sign this or you’re dead.” Like there will never be an American president that doesn’t do this kind of stuff. American foreign policy is inherently hostile by nature.

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

feel like they screen candidates well enough that they don't have to threaten them.

for trump they could be like "hey wanna order some cool guy james bond shit?" and he'd involuntarily get sharpie everywhere

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Exactly, like I’m not defending any presidents, but I’m kinda surprised at some of the comments that make it seem as if the president is coming up with the foreign policy themselves lmfao no. All that stuff is being done by the CIA and more importantly all the CIA adjacent organizations like the NED and others. By the time it gets to the president for signing so much work has been put into it that there is no way it ISNT going to be signed off on. The president is just a stamp to legitimize the appearance of civilian leadership. A good example would be Eisenhower, who directly called out the military industrial complex as a phenomenon and a problem that goes against his own personal beliefs of what is good for America before it really had a chance to take off. Did he try anything to stop it? Nope, still signed whatever they put in front of him.

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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Qasem Solemani yea

Most ppl forgot about that because covid came soon after.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I could very easily see Hilary pulling this trigger (or Obama or Bush for that matter).

If anything, I suspect Trump mismanagement of the occupation probably was what opened up diplomacy with Iran wide enough to convince Solemani that a visit was possible. The bombing (of Iraq's own airfield!) was just Trump trying to slam the door shut after the horse had left.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I could very easily see Hilary pulling this trigger (or Obama or Bush for that matter).

Obama had reached a diplomatic agreement with Iran on their nuclear program; Trump was a big step backwards there, as he was on Cuba. Even with the DPRK I don't think anything substantive materialized.

Looking at everything reasonable in Trump's favor, he was just as bad as Obama on foreign policy. "He was actually OK there" has always been more contrarian than anything.

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[–] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only way he's "good in foreign policy" is by taking America's mask fully off and showing the world the ugly truth. Whether they believe it or not is up to them

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

I know many Chinese people that turned very anti-American after 2015 to 2016.

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (60 children)

I'm not aware of anyone here that says Trump was "good" on foreign policy. The critique is that he's a substantially less effective steward of the imperial machine and even does accidental propaganda work against it.

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[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (20 children)

The nicest thing you can say about Donald Trump is that he's completely mercenary.

He'll turn on a dime if he sees advantage in a position and there's nobody he won't stab in the back given half an opportunity.

Biden is a fixture of US Foreign Policy. Trump is a Wild Card.

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[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

Trump killed Soleimani for no reason

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[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

The effort, which began in 2019, has not previously been reported.

Source: Gallup

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Hey that’s weird, opinion is mostly unchanged for like 30 years, then in 2018 it just becomes net positive, and then immediately after it unfavorability jumps sky-high. Surely just a coincidence.

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[–] Meh@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This sucks so much that propaganda is so effective on people in the US. Like, I know not-immune-to-propaganda but I would still hope that sentiment isn't that malleable over a couple years. amerikkka

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[–] Azarova@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

thats wild, holy shit

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this a poll of Americans? I don't think Chinese people have an approval rate of 15% of their own country.

The reported CIA activity occurred in China.

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is a poll of Americans, yes. I did see that the CIA activity occurred in China and I get what you're saying, I just refuse to believe that the goal was only to cause internal chaos in China.

[–] Ericthescruffy@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1000% its a limited hangout. There's definitely been an ongoing social media campaign to prime the pump for escalating tensions with China.

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[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

LOL Isn't this what China was supposedly doing with TikTok?

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I was wondering why every second video I watch is just some guy reading Mao's Little Red Book and calling me a lib

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

Every accusation is a confession

[–] pastalicious@hexbear.net 80 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia and China have troll farms. America has teams of operatives.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

2019 is the year the Winnie the Pooh shit started.

Call me crazy but I have never thought that shit was organic "from Chinese people on their internet". This makes me even more suspicious about its origins.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's worth noting that this wouldn't be necessary if the government of China didn't have broad support and legitimacy.

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago
[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dumbass Chinese liberals ate it up too. Right-Wing west fetishists are lower than worms.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Shanghai syndrome

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How much of the so-called "authoritarianism" of communism would cease to exist if capitalism simply...allowed other economic systems to coexist?

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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I decided to see what the sinophobic den of reddit-logo has to say about this, and unsurprisingly most of the libs there try to act like it's nothing, and totally normal. (Except when Russia or China does it in their eyes, then it's bad) On r/neoliberal they're more concerned about this being public than the actual operation itself. I saw them calling it an "extremely uncommon Trump W". No surprise there, I suppose. Despite their theatrical opposition to Trump, they support all this sort of scummy shit, as long as it's done silently in the background and with a dose of decorum. Fucking scumbags. barbara-pit

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[–] Bay_of_Piggies@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Always a self admission when US officials accuse other states of trying to influence the American state through media

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How well did all that US worship go for them?

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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

the west attacks you and calls your self-defense authoritarianism

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Looks like a classic case of accuse others that which you are guilty of wrt TikTok.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And some dumb libs fell for it. I'd bet a lot of this was also pushed on Western social media too, where it would have the greatest effect on the more rabidly pro-war, anti-Chinese racists.

I fucking hate America.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Prager and the DOD have accounts on Chinese social media lol

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