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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 116 points 4 months ago (47 children)

As much as I hate Elon, this is a terrible idea. Cheap Chinese trash mobiles built by Uyghur slave labor are not the answer.

How about we build cars in Canada instead?

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 47 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Build cars in Germany, Japan, South Korea and the like. focus on something non car you can sell to them in return. You can do anything but not everything.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Building cars is something we already do in Canada. And there's currently a lot of capacity coming online to build electric cars. Pretty much the entire car could be sourced from Canadian parts, including the batteries. I think semi-conductors are the only thing that doesn't have a domestic source right now.

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[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 4 months ago (10 children)

I have a better alternative: invest in viable alternatives to driving! expand protected bike lanes, build the damn high speed rail, more trains, trams and bus lines. One more asphalt lane for cars wont solve traffic problems :)

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 12 points 4 months ago (9 children)

That would work for much of the population that lives within 100 miles of the US border, but there is a lot of rural and green space in Canada, and bikes aren't great in Canadian winters. Canada needs good car options too.

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 73 points 4 months ago (5 children)

i would find amusing if countries retaliate US tariffs by singling out Musk and Trump companies

[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I think this is the sanest thing that has been said in the last couple of hours. I'm still recovering from the trump speech from yesterday, so not totally sure.

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 56 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Replacing nazi cars with slave labor cars is a pretty fucked up idea.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Pretty much anything that you've ever owned has been made from the exploitation of some working class somewhere. The clothes you wear. The house you live in. The electronics that you use. The furniture that you own. The very food you eat and drink is often cheap because of an exploited worker somewhere that's paid pennies on the dollar. Your going to draw the line at a drastically cheaper car that's leaps and bounds better for the environment than a petrol vehicle? Okay.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 34 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Or just fix public transit for fucks sake. Evs are a distraction from the problemm

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[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Top that with copyrights removal on Tesla tech.

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[–] AlienContact2049@lemmy.ca 31 points 4 months ago

I think we should build them ourselves.

[–] small44@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Why not both

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Someone's doing the happy hunny dance....

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[–] makyo@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago (26 children)

I obviously don't understand the economics of it and I realize that China will always have the upper hand on price but is there a reason every western EV has to be $40,000+? Like surely it's possible to build a barebones model for less than 30k right - especially if I don't need or even want touch screens or fancy interior materials or heated seats or anything.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If I specifically don’t want touch screens, what then?

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[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago

Western culture is built on delivering value to shareholders first and foremost.

[–] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 months ago

That's why I snatched up a Bolt before Chevy (temporarily, they say) discontinued the line. I even did upgrade it a little to get heated/cooling front seats and a heated steering wheel plus the extra safety features. $32.5k with a $7.5k rebate from the federal Clean Vehicle Credit. So $25k for a car with a 175-280 mile range. (175ish in winter when the battery is less efficient, 280 in summer).

Of course the IRS fucked up the point of sale rebate when I was purchasing, but it's finally incoming with my taxes this year.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Higher profit margins.

Europeans get the bulk of cheaper and smaller EVs. Meanwhile in North America, Ford stopped selling sedans. It’s a niche that car makers could fill if they wanted to.

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[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Canada has the same incentive to not open the door to Chinese EVs that the US does.

Why would they shoot themselves in the face just to splash some blood on someone else?

[–] Gewoonmoi@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Canada doesn't have the incentives that the Americans have at all. Correct me if I'm wrong. America's incentive is to protect its own EV industry, Canada doesn't have an EV industry of its own.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I dont think there is a single privacy friendly EV on the market.

If a Canadian company could build and export an EV that wasn't loaded with invasive sensors and where the data recording and uploading was opt-in (or non existent), loads of US Americans and Europeans would import them from Canada.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think you can expand that to all cars, not just EVs.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

That feels like "robbing Peter to pay Paul". We don't want to be dependent on either nationalist autocracy.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Yes, more Chinese infrastructure, that phones home and can be turned off remotely, with a switch, is definitely what the West need.

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[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Ban the fucking things.

Offer loan forgiveness to any Tesla owner. Tell musk to fuck off.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Why just a tariff? Just ban all Tesla vehicle imports and all sales of new Tesla vehicles. For owners of existing vehicles they should be offered a generous buyback and equally generous loan terms for a new or used car. That would encourage most Tesla owners to trade-in their vehicles.

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[–] Septapus@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 months ago

The world needs to tariff ALL elon companies and move away from American products/offerings in general. We need something to replace AWS in the worst way. The world needs to remember the corporations foreign and domestic that helped faciliate this and freeze them out because if they do it here in the US they WILL do it in your countries too. Toyota helped fund 1/6 for example. I will never buy a toyota because of it and elons companies will never get any patronage from me either.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Seize all Musk and Trump-owned assets.

[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

now canada needs to invest in proper public transportation, so in the future people wouldn't need to buy a car just for day to day life.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

$15k EV... Yes Please!!!

Nah you wouldn't want one, they're bare bones.

Okay, add $5k worth of options = $20k EV... Yes Please!!!

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[–] vegantomato@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

Bad idea. China isn't better than the US, and their EVs are a safety and security risk in and of themselves.

I can imagine Canada being in a position to collaborate with friendly countries to develop a safe, secure and open alternative to Tesla and "CCP-mobiles". If that becomes a reality, everyone benefits.

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[–] GameGod@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The thing is, if Trump wants to kill Canada's role in US car manufacturing, then it will cost him the car markets in Mexico and Canada. If there's no jobs here to protect, then we'll just drop the tariffs on Chinese EVs. (This is speaking like 20 years down the road). We'll all be driving Chinese cars in that scenario. The tariffs are a total lose-lose situation, so dumb.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Please please please...BYD is making super cheap Tesla killers. I'd love to get my hands on one.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The benefit of a tarrif on Tesla vs opening the market to China is that we can easily undo it if there is a US coup, Trump gets medicated, gets burned, whatever. There's still the potential that this is a temporary situation, not the new reality. If we open up to a third party, we can't put the genie back in the bottle.

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