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Senator Jeanne Shaheen just threw the minority leader under the bus.

Senator Jeanne Shaheen revealed that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer knew the entire time about the plan for a few Democrats to capitulate to Republicans on the government shutdown.

Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.

Aside from serving as further proof that the Democrats are failing to act as an opposition party in any meaningful way, Shaheen’s comments also reveal one of two possible scenarios. Either Schumer was scheming to end the shutdown behind the scenes, only pretending to be against it while pinning the blame on the eight people who aren’t up for reelection anytime soon, or he has no control over his party. Either way, it proves the need for Democrats to jettison the minority leader.

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 4 points 12 hours ago

The blue billionaires will save us bro trust me bro. Just wait to the midterms bro one more millionaire Democrat in power and we defeat facism trust time bro.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 9 hours ago

not up for reelection soon? durbin is retiring!

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no hope left. The only cure for the corruption is to cut it out. Guillotines make for an excellent blade for excision.

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Part of the reason there is no hope is comments like these.

You aren't going to do that, so stop focusing on fictional power fantasies.

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (8 children)

As opposed to what? Fantasies on voting ourselves into progress? Fantasies on believing some candidate is going to save us? We all voted for Bernie in 2016. We're all voting against Trump. America is pissed. Where is our outrage supposed to be aimed at and what can we do?

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

A progressive revolution by force isn't going to work if you don't have a progressive majority. If you're waging a civil war, it's a toss up who will win. But if you do have a majority, you can also just vote more progressives into power.

Either way, you're going to have to convince a lot of people to join your side. That's the first step: awareness, protests. And the recent election victories show that it's working. Keep building this so you win all the seats in the midterms.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Of course he knew about it, and his career should be over. They held out all that time, so they could get a massive midterm victory, just to completely surrender all their new political capital, in exchange for literally nothing.

While American citizens see the modterm election as a victory, Democrats don't really see it that way. That was a Progressive victory, and the Dems look at it as almost as big a loss as the MAGAs do. They weren't about to keep holding out, and giving the Socialists another victory to run on 2028.

If AOC primaried him, she would destroy him.

[–] MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I agree with everything you said except for calling this a midterm election. Midterms are next year, and primaries are ramping up, so NOW is the time for everybody to start researching and supporting ideal candidates so that you can have a shot at being proud of your vote at the general election.

Fun fact: of the eight non-Republicans to cave, exactly ZERO of them are up for reelection in 2026. To be clear, 2 of them have terms ending at the start of 2027, but they're both retiring and therefore not running. Nobody will remember this in 3 years, so they're suffering exactly zero consequences for this sellout.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Senators up for re-election will remember if we do the following:

  1. If you have a dem senator, write to them and tell them that the leadership is out of touch with the demands of the moment
  2. If the blue incumbent in your state is retiring in 2026, run a progressive. Use this moment to draw real separation between the progressive and the establishment candidate. Make any contact between them and the democratic leadership toxic
  3. If the blue incumbent hasn't condemned this and the democratic leadership, do the same as above.

Democrats up for reelection in 2026

  • Colorado: John Hickenlooper
  • Delaware: Chris Coons
  • Georgia: Jon Ossoff
  • Illinois: Dick Durbin (Retiring)
  • Massachusetts: Ed Markey
  • Michigan: Gary Peters (Retiring)
  • Minnesota: Tina Smith (Retiring)
  • New Hampshire: Jeanne Shaheen (Retiring)
  • New Jersey: Cory Booker (Chair of Strategic Communications Committee)
  • New Mexico: Ben Ray Lujan
  • Oregon: Jeff Merkley
  • Rhode Island: Jack Reed
  • Virginia: Mark Warner

Flipping the senate in 2026 seems unlikely, but transforming the democratic party must start now. Schumer is up for re-election in 2028, but he has to be removed from leadership now.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

You're right, it wasn't a Midterm. I lost my head for a moment because this off year election almost had the feeling and energy of a Midterm, and also the exultant feeling you get after a big Midterm win.

The real Midterms next year are going to be much different than usual. The stakes haven't been this high since before the Civil War, and the campaign is actually going to be scary, and very likely violent.

And that's if he allows elections. If he doesn't, there will DEFINITELY be violence.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 165 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The voters handed the dems huge gains during the shutdown election, there's no clearer way they could have signaled we were behind them, and yet they betray us.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 103 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.

So she was bragging to Fox on her and her co-collaborators conservative bonafides.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Democrats as a party do have an issue with Republicans infiltrating..

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Wrong way to look at it.

Democrats and republicans share the same donors. They may individually have different goals in mind, but their donors appeal to both sides to preserve a guaranteed outcome and to preserve the image of choice and opposition.

Really though what we have is anyone who wants to make a fast dime and has the gift of gab throwing themselves into the ring to try to get some of that sweet, sweet donor bribery.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The possibility of infiltrators is meaningless when the Democrats are themselves a pro-capitalist neoliberal party. Their fundamental class interests do not allow them to make reform that is beneficial to the working class. This is why whenever the Dems are in power they either outright refuse to do anything meaningful, or the reforms they do pass are so convoluted and means-tested-to-hell that they end up making things worse in some way.

[–] dis_da_mor@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago

this explains the perpetual right-wing movement of the government when it comes to social, ethnic and minority rights. "left-wing" parties do not reverse authoritarian changes in their terms of power, allowing the far right party to resume course when they toggle back into power.

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[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Both can be true. Schumer can scheme and have no control. The Democratic Whip voted to end the shutdown. That should tell you everything.

[–] 4grams@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Bingo. At this point I don’t care if he had a direct role in it or not, it’s still a total failure of leadership. The man has no ability to lead, just slogan (and really badly at that).

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 64 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (23 children)

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 74 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Billionaires are desperate to turn people away from the Dem party, because they can't buy the next Dem presidential primary.

You're pissed at Schumer? Good, he's a giant ineffectual piece of shit

But now that he doesn't have a corrupt DNC behind him, his days in office are numbered. So are the rest of the neoliberals and especially the ones who voted with republicans.

Don't blame the party for what single digit number of assholes did. And definitely don't leave the party by refusing to vote in Dem primaries.

Even if there's nothing that could ever make you vote D in the general again, vote in every D primary and pull them left as hard as you can.

The only way neoliberals get the DNC back, is if people don't vote in the next Dem presidential primary, a neoliberal squeaks thru, and if they become president, they name a neoliberal chair.

And neoliberals aren't above sabotaging the Dem party to get the reins back.

It like the buy/sell ads for gold...

When billionaire owned media shits on the Dem party, it means the DNC is against billionaires.

When billionaire owned media supports the Dem party, it's because they own it

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago

THE DNC DOES NOT WANT TO OPPOSE THE GOP

Otherwise they would have their canidates oppose them in a meaningful way. They wouldn't support right wing ideologies.

ffs

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

And neoliberals aren't above sabotaging the Dem party to get the reins back.

You can say that again

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Why are any dems appearing on Fox “News”?

[–] snowby@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago

Why are any dems appearing on Fox “News”?

To reach their target audience.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago

Schumer has zero control over his party when even the party whip pledges to defect. But he apparently refused to vote for the Democratic candidate for NYC mayor, so this is entirely expected and precedented.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 days ago

Of course he did.

His whip was publicly swaying traitors ahead of the vote. And all the "yes" votes are people who aren't up next year or who are actively retiring. That is how they do stuff like this. Protect the traitors who can get re-elected and make the people getting their lobbyist payouts the bogeymen.

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So Chuck Schumer knew this would Happy and Therefore PURPOSELY let People get Kicked off SNAP during the Holidays? GREAT! THAT"S my Type of Leader!

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[–] DeICEAmerica@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Democrats need their version of Trump that promises to shake all of this bullshit up. Drain the swamp indeed. Different sides of the same coin, just one side has a bigger price tag and takes longer to threaten, coerce, and bribe. But make no mistake, we have ALL been abandoned and will need a complete reboot of this party to the point where we start to vocally primary our own reps. Shit, I might just have to run now and my vetting isn't pretty but it's better than what we have in place.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Many state and local seats in government run unopposed or have puppet candidates installed and funded by Republican donors, people who have no real capability to do politics and just rely on having a lot of money for posters, but would wither if debated about actual issues.

We just saw in New York you don't need any of that shit, you just need be social and reassuring and have a message that you stick to and don't let yourself get distracted.

My god so many candidates get distracted and ruin their own potential careers.

[–] jtj4135@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remember Remember, the Chuck of November

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Cowardis, treason, and plot. I see no reason why this cowardly treason should ever be forgot.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

At best this is a massive gamble with the absolute last of the dregs of goodwill anyone left of center has for th democratic party. I'm predicting a lot of frustration -signalling throwing of hands in the air and performative filibusters in Shumer's future, and not much else.

New York Democrats: primary this piece of shit and get him out of the Senate. I don't care if his gamble pays off, he shouldn't be gambling with the future of our country against convicted fraudsters.

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[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 days ago

This is just standard Democrat strategy.

Their job - the service their rich donors pay them for - is to provide the illusion of opposition to the steady expansion of the wealth and privilege of those same rich donors.

So they posture in order to appear to be opposition, but then they inevitably cave, one way or another, whatever it takes.

There was never any question that the Dems were going to cave - that's what they always do. The only questions were specifically how and when they were going to do it

And now we know.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

WTF is the Democratic Party's long term strategy?

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The DNC's strategy is for Trump to run as a Democrat in 2028.

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[–] Leonyx@kbin.melroy.org 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For like, the longest time, I got tired of people saying both sides are bad. There has to be some good in the Democrats somewhere to balance out or overtake the shittyness of Republicans.

But now, after however many stupid avoidable moves the Democrats have made, including this one. I'm not sure anymore. Possibly, now.

The only good person in my book is Bernie Sanders, still.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

They should replace him with someone who has balls, like Melanie Stansbury.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Democrats need to do more than just get rid of Schumer..

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