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[–] plyth@feddit.org 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Because they wiped their ass with a communal sponge.

The shared gut bacteria provided the micronutrients that are needed to develop the intelligence that can handle the complexity.

OP needs to get topped more to compensate.

[–] TheFerrango@lemmings.world 2 points 7 hours ago

The communal sponge is peak hygiene, stop dissing it

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

It's learned over time. I expect what we learned from easier-to-process roots was applied to grains.

[–] Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works 9 points 15 hours ago

You can eat wheat right out of the head (the top part of the wheat stalk). No processing required (other than threshing it - removing it from the husk).

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 38 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The number of people who have no clue how much processing goes into making rice edible is hilarious.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Or just to grow it. Rice is stupid hard compared to wheat.

[–] Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

As well as regional factors. They both grow in totally different environments.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X1930082X

I remember reading about this concept and how rice growing cultures differ from wheat growing. Our agricultural past has had long lasting impacts.

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago

The ignorance around rice is what gets me on this one. It's almost troll level.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 22 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

We have tried to grind, dry, ferment, bake, broil, boil, and fry everything on the face of the earth. Countless times. Humans have had the same brainpower for ages, just not the same knowledge base.

wheat makes beer

beer yeast and wheat makes bread

wheat made pasta

wheat grows well in colder climates.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Wheat is a bit of a weed so it's grown on more marginal land while more profitable (finicky) plants are grown in the better land.

This weirdly makes wheat more vulnerable to climate change.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago

Wheat is a more modern staple than you might imagine. Millet was more widespread than rice or wheat for much of Eurasia.

[–] adminofoz@lemmy.cafe 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Be hooman, eat much seed. Seed good. Wheat like seed. Wheat good. Rock smash seed, easy eat seed.

Rain make smash seed taste funny. Fire make rain smash seed tastey. Society.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It's actually been theorized that beer was a driving factor for humanity discovering agriculture.

[–] WalterLego@lemmy.zip 5 points 21 hours ago

There's also a theory (maybe the same as you mentioned) that says man settled down because they had to stay in one place for the whole brewing process.

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[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 13 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

wheat is overrated, I can't even eat it with out shitting myself and eventually developing cancer. Its because my genes are too evolved to eat it or something

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[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's pretty simple, really. Rice doesn't grow everywhere.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 26 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Can confirm. I'm currently at Tim Horton's and there's no rice growing.

[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

But there is bread available, isn't there? I rest my case.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

One guy can grow and harvest a wheat field large enough to feed his family, but rice requires a lot of community organization to grow.

[–] HeadyBroccoli@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

There’s an interesting hypothesis called the Rice Hypothesis that theorizes that the different styles of farming rice vs wheat shaped our societies in ways that are still prevalent today. Farming rice led to strong collectivism in society, while farming wheat led to strong individualism in society. Perhaps this is what has led to our differences in ideologies and governing systems.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I also like the one where western people are good at stuff like telescopes and magnifying lenses because they drink wine, which is a pretty color, where as the Chinese drank clear alcohol so they didn't get as good with glasswork

[–] HeadyBroccoli@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Oh interesting, I haven’t heard of that. I’ll have too look into it, thanks!

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Also in regards to lenses and pretty things, because pottery and paper were already so massive industries in China, they didn't see use for glass as much as Europe which needed it for windows and whatnot.

So then Europe had the advantage in glassworking and thus got some scientific instruments (such as beakers and lenses) first.

How much of that was of because wine, I couldn't say. But I would like to mention that a gene for naturally being (much more) intolerant to alcohol is more common in Asia than in Europe. But how long it's been more common is a question I couldn't answer, as it might be more of a consequence than a cause, with how fast evolution works. (ie Europe has had strong liquor for centuries and you can see from places which only recently got liquor how much more prevalent alcoholism is — it gets filtered out pretty fast as if you're dependant on alcohol and sauced all the time you prolly might not procreate, unless you're not that intolerant to it and manage to function.)

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

All grass based crops encouraged group cooperation. Plants like potatoes remain safe in the ground until you need them. But all cereal crops require harvesting at a specific time. You can't just harvest enough wheat as you need it. This means you inevitably have to have a stockpile of grain to get through the year. And a stockpile of already harvested and prepared grain makes you an instant target for raids by opposing groups.

Cereal crops of all forms necessitate cooperation.

[–] HeadyBroccoli@lemmy.zip 7 points 22 hours ago

I mean, everything in life requires cooperation, but that’s not the point. Rice took twice as many labor hours as wheat and required more irrigation. According to Shenshi Nongshu, “if one is short of labor, it is best to grow wheat”. Also studies have shown that in China people in historically rice farming areas behave more collectively than those in wheat regions. Not all grasses behave the same way and need the same things, especially with how much we’ve bred them to our needs.

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[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also, a very different climate and soil.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 50 points 1 day ago

Wheat doesn't actually require all that much. Soak it in water, and it becomes gruel. Let gruel sit around for awhile, the liquid becomes a rudimentary ale. Boil off the liquid, you have a rudimentary bread. Want to make it easier to eat? Grind it before you add the water.

Every other use is an evolution of those basic concepts.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

This phenomenon is even stronger with (most types of) Maize (excluding sweet corn). It requires heavy processing to be turned into glucose sirup or anything resembling edible food. By default, the grains are extremely durable and very difficult to digest.

But this is essentially what protects it from insects and fungus. Because the grains are so hard to digest by default, they can only be eaten by humans who have the tools to heavily process them before eating; for everyone else it's essentially uninteresting as a food source and that prevents mold and insects.

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[–] BurnedDonutHole@ani.social 47 points 1 day ago (7 children)

You can't grow rice where there isn't a proper water supply so much so that your field is basically a swamp until it's time to harvest. Meanwhile wheat and barley doesn't need much water to cultivate.

[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

AFAIK rice does not require that water, it's just that it can survive it, unlike most weeds.

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[–] frog@feddit.uk 176 points 1 day ago (28 children)

Wheat is easier to grow and requires less water. The first farmers in the Middle East became farmers almost acidentally. When they transported the wheat, the dropped crop started growing more and closer to where they were processing it. Eventually some of them decided they would rather grow the wheat than being part of a nomadic tribe. This will eventually lead to a population boom where women would have children every year rather than every four years.

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